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Title: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: Lezard on May 21, 2013, 09:19:11 PM
I don't even have the energy to summarise this. I'll just say that It takes a potentially intresting question on the value of music education and turns it into what looks like a string text from the youtube comments section....
Then attempts to backpedal after the inevitible backlash.

http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/we-don-t-need-no-high-cost-high-brow-heavy-metal-education-1.1394624 (http://www.irishtimes.com/culture/music/we-don-t-need-no-high-cost-high-brow-heavy-metal-education-1.1394624)
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: gwEm on May 21, 2013, 09:49:37 PM
Well, I had a look ;)

If the article is intended to be jokey, then it's terribly written.

What's interesting is the bias and prejudice against metal that's being perpetuated there.
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: Philly Q on May 21, 2013, 11:01:01 PM
It's a very poorly written, ill-informed article.  Worse than that, it completely fails to be clever or witty.  Trying to satirise something you don't know anything about is a bad idea.

Having said that, I also think doing a degree in heavy metal is a supremely pointless exercise.  But hey, you have to pay for higher education nowadays, so if that's what you want to do, fill your boots.
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: Elliot on May 22, 2013, 10:47:00 AM
'that Helsinki University academic treatise, Characteristics of Heavy Metal Chord Structures Their Acoustic and Modal Construction , is about as interesting as a 10-minute metal drum solo.'

Has this person ever read an academic treatise of any type?  Most people would grasp for Moby Dick than put themselves through that experience  :lol:
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: blue on May 22, 2013, 11:03:45 AM
On behalf of the people of Ireland, I apologise.  Needless to say, this man will be put in stocks and pelted with Girls Aloud CDs at an upcoming Metal gig.
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: HTH AMPS on May 22, 2013, 04:06:06 PM
Even worse than the article is the fact that he doesn't have the courage of his convictions to stand by his opinions once people started handing him his arse back. 
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: dave_mc on May 22, 2013, 06:21:13 PM
Having said that, I also think doing a degree in heavy metal is a supremely pointless exercise.  But hey, you have to pay for higher education nowadays, so if that's what you want to do, fill your boots.

to be fair, university education is still free (or "free-ish") down south, as far as i'm aware. EDIT: my mistake, as i said, I hadn't read it yet :oops: they were talking about a course in England.

haven't got as far as reading the article yet, will do so later after dinner :lol:

EDIT: just read it. Wow.  :?
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: JDC on May 23, 2013, 12:38:46 AM
Still more useful than media studies
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on May 23, 2013, 02:29:16 AM
very very badly written and the guy obviously hates metal, I literally had to stop reading the bigots opinions about 2 paragraphs in.
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: Alex on May 23, 2013, 08:27:39 PM
Stupid article.

Then again, degree in "heavy metal" is probably as useful on the job market as a degree in English drama & literature, humanities or anything to do with physical education (i.e. a waste of time and money).
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: Elliot on May 24, 2013, 06:05:36 PM
Stupid article.

Then again, degree in "heavy metal" is probably as useful on the job market as a degree in English drama & literature, humanities or anything to do with physical education (i.e. a waste of time and money).

That sounds almost as ignorant as the original article!
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: JJretroTONEGOD on May 24, 2013, 06:51:04 PM
Stupid article.

Then again, degree in "heavy metal" is probably as useful on the job market as a degree in English drama & literature, humanities or anything to do with physical education (i.e. a waste of time and money).

That sounds almost as ignorant as the original article!

+1
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: blue on May 24, 2013, 08:59:07 PM
A degree in Heavy Metal may seem a bit silly, certainly on the face of it.  But education and study for the sake of knowledge is vitally important.  Its what makes us human.  One of the things i really dislike about the world is how many people think that nothing is worth doing unless it leads to money

Which, by the way, I don't mean to be accusing Roo of!  Maybe he does feel that, to an extent, but the guy plays guitar in a hardcore metal band!  not the most commercial of moves :)
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: dave_mc on May 24, 2013, 10:12:27 PM
A degree in Heavy Metal may seem a bit silly, certainly on the face of it.  But education and study for the sake of knowledge is vitally important.  Its what makes us human.  One of the things i really dislike about the world is how many people think that nothing is worth doing unless it leads to money

+1
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: Philly Q on May 24, 2013, 11:30:23 PM
A degree in Heavy Metal may seem a bit silly, certainly on the face of it.  But education and study for the sake of knowledge is vitally important.  Its what makes us human.  One of the things i really dislike about the world is how many people think that nothing is worth doing unless it leads to money

I agree totally, but I don't see Heavy Metal as something that needs to be studied in any kind of formal way.  You can learn all you want/need to know in your "spare time", as a hobby.  It doesn't need anyone else to teach you.  And I think if you actually start deconstructing the music, finding the underlying formulas or whatever you want to call them, you take away the magic.

I feel exactly the same way about Creative Writing and Film Studies - to me they're things you shouldn't study, you should just do them.  Go with what feels right.

That's very much a personal opinion, fine if you think I'm talking nonsense.

Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: juansolo on May 25, 2013, 09:02:28 AM
Pah! Metal isn't a vocation, you don't study it, you live it.
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: blue on May 25, 2013, 01:17:25 PM
A degree in Heavy Metal may seem a bit silly, certainly on the face of it.  But education and study for the sake of knowledge is vitally important.  Its what makes us human.  One of the things i really dislike about the world is how many people think that nothing is worth doing unless it leads to money

I agree totally, but I don't see Heavy Metal as something that needs to be studied in any kind of formal way.  You can learn all you want/need to know in your "spare time", as a hobby.  It doesn't need anyone else to teach you.  And I think if you actually start deconstructing the music, finding the underlying formulas or whatever you want to call them, you take away the magic.

I feel exactly the same way about Creative Writing and Film Studies - to me they're things you shouldn't study, you should just do them.  Go with what feels right.

That's very much a personal opinion, fine if you think I'm talking nonsense.

oh no, I agree with that mostly Philly, there's no substitute for "doing".  But certainly studying things like literature, art history and philosophy are worthy subjects that won't make you rich at the end.   And there is something to be said for studying film making or, in this modern world, music production
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: blue on May 25, 2013, 01:18:36 PM
Pah! Metal isn't a vocation, you don't study it, you live it.

 :guitar4: :band1: :band4:
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: dave_mc on May 25, 2013, 07:07:49 PM
I dunno. To a certain extent I'd definitely agree that you can overanalyse things which will suck all of the fun out of it. On the other hand, not analysing it at all can give it a mystique (I don't necessarily mean metal, I mean any art) which it maybe doesn't deserve to have... :lol:
Title: Re: Abysmal article in the Irish times on the subject of metal education.
Post by: MDV on May 25, 2013, 07:35:37 PM
Both him and a degree in metal are retarded.

But the degree isnt retarded because metal is retarded. You are indeed never going to get a job in it, and you can learn it very effectively outside academia. You cant do that with, say, natural sciences or engineering. You need the resources of an educational facility. And you might get a job too.