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Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 26, 2007, 11:10:24 AM
Oh dear god this is awful

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbBBczzDeCA

I agree with the first comment "when you discover you've got no talent, you start making this cr@p" :lol:

I dont understand how people can take it seriously?!
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: maliciousteve on January 26, 2007, 11:52:52 AM
I wanted to rip my ears off and bury them deep underground so that I don't ever have to listen to this cr@p ever again.  :lol:
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Ratrod on January 26, 2007, 11:56:00 AM
What a great and creative way to piss off your neighbours.
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Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 26, 2007, 12:05:17 PM
But that was just an instrumental track .
Wait till you hear their singer !

Probably does that "cookie Monster" style vocal that i so dislike
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Muzzzz on January 26, 2007, 12:30:57 PM
Quote from: FELINEGUITARS
"cookie Monster" style vocal

 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
That is THE BEST comparison I have ever heard, hands down, and now I think about it, I can actually imagine the Cookie Monster singing death metal! (It's Photoshop time!)
 :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
But haven't you heard? He's actually been put on a diet, and says that "Cookies are a sometimes food". Friggin political correctness!  :x :x :x
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: gingataff on January 26, 2007, 12:35:44 PM
I heard Merzbow on Radio4 a few years back, at first it was awful but I really got into it, it allows you to get into a kind of meditative state. Really, it does. I think because is becomes so encompassing and effectively blocks the parts of your brain used for listening that other parts of your mind increase in activity.
A lot of his music does have rhythm in the static. But you need to listen to it for a long time (at least 20 minutes) before you have a chance to get it.

 Gosh that sounds pretentious :)

It's not music. It's a kind of audio art, but like much modern art a lot of people don't like it. I went to the Tate Modern and saw a piece of painted rope nailed to a plank of wood. Whats that all about?


As a postscript I bought one of his CDs and I think I listened to it once
 :P
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 26, 2007, 12:51:51 PM
All the evidence you need: Cookie Monster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvxQ5cSeZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDQH9RzX3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txELFPtB6Y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTekjGhG7o

I could only stand about 30 seconds at most of some of these bands
Just so not my thing - some good guitar playing in some - but the vocals kill me.
WASP, Rammstein, Judas Priest no problem at all
And I seem to thrive on Geoff Tate and all that "screechy bollox" that others dont like - all a matter of personal taste.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 26, 2007, 01:02:14 PM
Quote from: FELINEGUITARS
All the evidence you need: Cookie Monster

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPvxQ5cSeZQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLDQH9RzX3g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txELFPtB6Y0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bTekjGhG7o

I could only stand about 30 seconds at most of some of these bands
Just so not my thing - some good guitar playing in some - but the vocals kill me.
WASP, Rammstein, Judas Priest no problem at all
And I seem to thrive on Geoff Tate and all that "screechy bollox" that others dont like - all a matter of personal taste.


Yeah thats the thing about modern metal I hate. Pretty good riffs and music in general, but always let down by the vocals. I cant listen to songs with bad vocals, it just ruins it no matter how good the music is. It just seems like they get someone who can growl and think "that'll do".

But anyway, this threads more about random noises, not modern metal ;) I downloaded a few Merzbow songs just to see if it was any better recorded - the ones I found didnt seem to have a rhythm and I definitely didnt feel any different other than slight annoyance at the sounds :lol:
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: blue on January 26, 2007, 03:52:02 PM
just to flit ever so gently off topic... isn't Feline's latest avatar great?  i think he should get a prize!

on cookie monster vocals, like most things, they can work sometimes, but they are hard to take seriously.  i think Mike Patton's my favourite cookie monster, but of course he can sing like a (rabid) angel as well
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: nfe on January 26, 2007, 06:45:49 PM
The cookie monster vocal works great when used appropriatley.

Would any other vocal style work in Deicide or Cannibal Corpse? I don't imagine so.


On topic. To understate. I don't like that.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Deadstar on January 26, 2007, 09:11:45 PM
ahhhhh pretentious noise art "elitism"

I've even heard stories about how some guy set up some cr@p just using feedback and annoying noises having no idea what he was "meant" to be doing cause he was just taking the piss really, and got referred to as a genius by these people who seem to think it's all an incredibley elaborate metaphor.

On a side note, agree with blue: Feline your avatar's rule  :twisted:  definately getting a custom from you as soon as I can afford it.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Davey on January 26, 2007, 09:36:55 PM
dunno...


i HATED death metal vocals for a long time... then they kinda grew on me... now i love em. unless they're total cr@p that is

the cookie monster vids are hilarious... and those vocals are shitety (at least in the tnt vid .. too forced sounding)
the 2nd vid is arch enemy... when i first heard them i didnt know it was a chick on the vocals.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 26, 2007, 10:19:25 PM
Well I say N64 kid still puts out the most brewtal vocals ever -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvDKx7ltor8

:D

So proud of that video, pretty heavy for Mules too :P
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Philly Q on January 26, 2007, 11:13:37 PM
Quote from: gingataff
I heard Merzbow on Radio4 a few years back, at first it was awful but I really got into it, it allows you to get into a kind of meditative state. Really, it does. I think because is becomes so encompassing and effectively blocks the parts of your brain used for listening that other parts of your mind increase in activity.

I do understand what you mean, but the nearest I want to get to that kind of feeling is listening to Sleep's Dopesmoker.

As for the death metal vocals, I love Opeth and I quite like Arch Enemy and Soilwork, because there's enough melodic stuff for me to latch onto, but I still suffer through the cookie monster vocal parts.  I just don't see the point of singing like that - lots of people like it, so it's obviously my problem, I just don't get it.

I really struggle when the vocals are combined with that blastbeat drumming style - just can't listen to it.  I need a groove, not a machine-gun assault. It's obvious some of the bands have talent, but it's just not for me.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 26, 2007, 11:25:22 PM
Ok, so I finally realised the good thing about noise - listen to it loud through headphones then turn it off - it makes everything seem so quiet and peaceful :lol:

What a pointless genre!
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: FELINEGUITARS on January 26, 2007, 11:48:59 PM
Quote from: blue
... isn't Feline's latest avatar great?  i think he should get a prize!


Thanks
I rather like this one
It's like a Bare Knuckle Pussy (BKP)
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Davey on January 27, 2007, 12:33:01 AM
bareknuckle pussy  LMAO!!!! that's great!!

(i resent the PM jon)
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Muzzzz on January 27, 2007, 05:07:57 AM
Quote
... isn't Feline's latest avatar great? i think he should get a prize!


Look deep into the cat's eyes.. It's strangely hypnotising...

I am getting very sleepy...
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: froglord on January 27, 2007, 01:33:47 PM
For truly inhuman death metal "vocals":

http://www.reptilianrecords.com/reptilian/hatebeek.html
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: MDV on January 27, 2007, 04:45:57 PM
I dont like it when its at the top of a mix, but I cant imagine nile or cryptopsy, who write some of my favourite music, without growled, aggressive or otherwise fucked up vocals.

I mean, try and imagine Origin with Rob Halford singing over it  :?  :?  :?
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Muzzzz on January 28, 2007, 04:59:48 AM
At least it wears their voices out real quick, and then they can't growl anymore. Yay!
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Muttley on January 28, 2007, 08:54:01 AM
Is there no love in your hearts for Sunn O))) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhK2D5a228k) then?

From a vocal point of view, I can put up with a bit of cookie monster stuff, but only if you can actually hear the words. Otherwise it's pointless.  Generally though I'd say my favourite style of vocalist is someone like Ronnie James Dio, etc.

Muttley
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 28, 2007, 10:43:23 AM
Quote from: Muttley
Is there no love in your hearts for Sunn O))) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhK2D5a228k) then?

From a vocal point of view, I can put up with a bit of cookie monster stuff, but only if you can actually hear the words. Otherwise it's pointless.  Generally though I'd say my favourite style of vocalist is someone like Ronnie James Dio, etc.

Muttley


Sunn O))) seem pretty bad from the videos on youtube, funniest thing is I read a comment on another one saying "i bet you couldnt play it" .. its basically one or two sustained notes with feedback from what I can tell :lol:
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: BloodMountain on January 28, 2007, 10:59:03 AM
how about this.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IxZGlBslBo&mode=user&search=

you can hear what he is saying...... quality riffage too

BM
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 28, 2007, 12:01:53 PM
The riffs werent bad but the song as a whole was fairly boring to me.. not catchy to me (I've allready forgotten how it goes!)

Carcass are still my favourite death metal (if thats what they're classed as?!) band, loads of great songs by them on Youtube, both good riffage and melodic tasteful soloing (and I even like the vocals):

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=carcass&search=Search

Anyway, this thread isnt even about death metal vocals, its about random annoying noises which people call art or music :lol:
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: BloodMountain on January 28, 2007, 12:08:39 PM
yeah carcass are awesome! i love amon amarth, i find it very cool and interesting..... try Belphegor for Death Black metal:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0bIQyMsK9Q

i find it awesome! especially the opening riff..... one of my favourites because it is powerful

about the crazy noise music: i thought it was incredibly funny, scaring all of those tourists hahahahhaahhha it has to be a joke!

the bit inside the warehouse really scared me though..... there are these menacing noises inside an old abandoned warehouse....

BM
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: 38thBeatle on January 28, 2007, 12:33:32 PM
Anyone heard of John Cage? Lots of very intellectual people raved about it-others thought it was meaninginless random noise. He believed that there was "music" in everyday sound and I am not about to belittle the guy's passionately held beliefs.Interestingly, he also composed a silent work called 4' 33" ( that is "four minutes thirty three seconds") -rather like the opposite of Tom's thread but certainly within topic. To give you an idea of his work, here is a performance of it( no sniggering at the back). I learned of this from reading about Lennon (who of course was into it via Yoko Ono) years ago and was intrigued enough to check it out. I am neither a fan or a non fan I would hasten to add-just trying to get back to Tom's orginal thread.
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3f0g93D7dc
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Kepu on January 28, 2007, 12:45:39 PM
Amon Amarth oooowwwwwnnsss

Victorious March is the best battle song ever lol
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: BloodMountain on January 28, 2007, 12:49:09 PM
Quote from: Kepu
Amon Amarth oooowwwwwnnsss

Victorious March is the best battle song ever lol


YEEEAHH!!!

another follower of the kings of Viking Metal!
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 28, 2007, 12:58:09 PM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Anyone heard of John Cage? Lots of very intellectual people raved about it-others thought it was meaninginless random noise. He believed that there was "music" in everyday sound and I am not about to belittle the guy's passionately held beliefs.Interestingly, he also composed a silent work called 4' 33" ( that is "four minutes thirty three seconds") -rather like the opposite of Tom's thread but certainly within topic. To give you an idea of his work, here is a performance of it( no sniggering at the back). I learned of this from reading about Lennon (who of course was into it via Yoko Ono) years ago and was intrigued enough to check it out. I am neither a fan or a non fan I would hasten to add-just trying to get back to Tom's orginal thread.
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3f0g93D7dc


Never heard of it before but I watched the video.. I dont get it. Why does he need to turn the page and conduct?

Easy money though :lol:
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Post by: Kepu on January 28, 2007, 01:45:56 PM
Quote from: BLOODMOUNTAIN

YEEEAHH!!!

another follower of the kings of Viking Metal!


Definately! I got all of their album
Altho I'm afraid I don't have long hair enough to go to their show lol
after 20 cm more I'll sure to go to one once they'll hit Finland for a gig

you like Tr? amazing metal, with 'some' viking themes involved :lol:


EDIT: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STVnhOVD9BI
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: BloodMountain on January 28, 2007, 01:58:01 PM
wow!!! ive never even heard of them before......

his voice is amazing! so is the viking riffage!!!

thanks dude!
BM

EDIT: my hair is not quite long enough, another 5cm maybe.... hahhhaa!  :twisted:
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Kepu on January 28, 2007, 02:02:56 PM
yeah, they even were (are?) in tour with Amon Amarth
another great band to check out is Moonsorrow



haha at all this off-topic :oops:
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: BloodMountain on January 28, 2007, 02:06:51 PM
will do.... thanks for the tips!

hey, the reason this has gone off-topic is because everyone has agreed that the noise music is either a joke or it is cr@p.
its easy to move away from something that is cringing to listen to.

BM
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Post by: Davey on January 28, 2007, 02:14:13 PM
my hair makes chix envious!  :twisted:

and yea, tyr are cool.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: BloodMountain on January 28, 2007, 02:19:05 PM
Quote from: Davey
my hair makes chix envious!  :twisted:

and yea, tyr are cool.


aaahhhaaahhahaha! awesome!  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
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Post by: 38thBeatle on January 28, 2007, 02:42:54 PM
Tom, always got me stumped too. I can just imagine the rehearsals. If it were me I would be saying to the conductor that I wasn't sure that I'd got bar 31 right and would he mind awfully if we went over it a few times for my benefit.I could then drift off on a daydream. Cage did stuff also that was random and sounded like it was being made up on the spot. The guys you mentioned seemed to be in the same ballpark. I suppose in the days when just about anything could be described as a "happening" then it is no surprise that this kind of thing occurrs.
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Post by: Davey on January 28, 2007, 05:32:12 PM
OH!

you were referring to the original post... :P
my bad haha
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Post by: Philly Q on January 28, 2007, 06:51:05 PM
Some really interesting YouTube clips here guys!  I've seen/heard ("heard") 4'33" before, but I can't help thinking there's a more than a touch of Emperor's New Clothes about it.  I wonder how seriously it's meant to be taken?

Quite liked the Amon Amarth clip, despite the title (In Pursuit of Vikings?  What'll you do when you catch them, big boy?).  The Belphegor track has that drumming I can't stand (DuDuDuDuDuDuDuDuDuDuDuDu at top speed for 5 minutes...).
 
But the Tr track is excellent!  I love the vocals and the folky feel.  There should be more folk metal bands, I think.  What's the best album for a noob to try?

Quote from: Davey
my hair makes chix envious!  :twisted:

Ha, mine too, once upon a time.  I had that Bill Steer/Jerry Cantrell kind of look, but I started to get worried it was all going to fall out so I got it cut short.  It's still short, but it never did fall out (touch wood).
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 28, 2007, 07:35:10 PM
I didnt like the drumming in Belphegor either, it has no groove to get into. Tyr was good! Seems like there was a really great atmosphere at that gig. As Phil says, care to name some good folk metal albums for us noobs?

Whilst we're on the subject of hair, last time I went for a trim (had a job interview so I needed to look smart, still didnt get the job :lol: ) the hairdresser said "most girls would kill for hair like yours" because its thick and wavy/curly.. I always thought that was annoying because it looks messy all the time  :P
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Kepu on January 28, 2007, 07:35:23 PM
Quote from: Philly Q
But the Tr track is excellent!  I love the vocals and the folky feel.  There should be more folk metal bands, I think.  What's the best album for a noob to try?


They have only released 3 of them, but I like the 2 newer ones better than the debut
so Eric The Red and Ragnarok are the way to go, altho if you like more doomy fell also check out the debut How Far To Asgaard

and yeah, Tr kick some serious ass, very fresh sounding folk metal and they sing in 3 different languages!
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Muttley on January 28, 2007, 07:44:27 PM
Quote from: Philly Q
But the Tr track is excellent!  I love the vocals and the folky feel.  There should be more folk metal bands, I think.  What's the best album for a noob to try?


For Folk Metal it's worth going to the source.  Martin Walkyier's Skyclad practically invented the genre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTkiBvAa6Pc
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Philly Q on January 28, 2007, 07:48:14 PM
Yes, I remember Skyclad, got a couple of their CDs somewhere.  Must dig them out.
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Post by: MDV on January 28, 2007, 08:25:42 PM
Quote from: Muttley
Quote from: Philly Q
But the Tr track is excellent!  I love the vocals and the folky feel.  There should be more folk metal bands, I think.  What's the best album for a noob to try?


For Folk Metal it's worth going to the source.  Martin Walkyier's Skyclad practically invented the genre: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTkiBvAa6Pc


That was hilarious!

I dunno if it ws supposed to be, but if someone set out to make the funniset music possible, they couldnt do much better.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Davey on January 28, 2007, 10:06:32 PM
Quote from: Philly Q
 I love the vocals and the folky feel.  There should be more folk metal bands, I think.  What's the best album for a noob to try?


you just reminded me..

one band to end it all.

Korpiklaani. folk metal AT THE BEST!
i had the pleasure of seeing em in concert last year and meeting the guys afterwards. not only top notch guys that KNOW how to party, but showmen to the last. realy, the gig was one of the best metal gigs i've been to. the songs are excellent (about beer, woods and hunting in the woods while drinking beer)
they are my favourite live band, right next to iron maiden.

edit:
some neccessary youtube links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGQj1DFXdCs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x87fz7zDF4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGKMu2hXUlw

i wonder if i got any pics from that gig =/ but probably lost them in the disk crash. i cant wait to see em next time. they love to play here, cos they get blown away by the audience every time.
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Post by: Philly Q on January 28, 2007, 10:12:13 PM
Korpiklaani popped up as a recommendation when I put Tr on my Amazon wishlist.  

Just added Korpiklaani to the list as well.  :D  

(Edit: for a weird moment, I thought that was Udo Dirkschneider driving their bus in the Beer Beer video.  And Huntingsong seems to betray a Wurzels influence!  :wink: )

Also Finntroll and Turisas came up - any good?
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Davey on January 28, 2007, 10:20:01 PM
funtroll.. umm.. havent listened much, cant recommend..
thursias is pretty cool. also check out Ensiferium and wintersun (though wintersun is less folk)
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 28, 2007, 11:06:43 PM
I only found a few songs by Korpiklaani on limewire, they sound pretty good though, Beer Beer is awesome! Which albums should I get?
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Davey on January 28, 2007, 11:37:02 PM
voice of the wilderness and the new one
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: _tom_ on January 29, 2007, 12:11:27 AM
Anyone else like Tankard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LpMV5Is5C98

Great song :D
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Kilby on January 29, 2007, 01:32:42 AM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Anyone heard of John Cage? Lots of very intellectual people raved about it-others thought it was meaninginless random noise.


Theres also Lou Reeds, "Metal Machine Music", Stockhausens "Helicopter Quartet" or Captain Beefhearts "Trout Mask Replica" for 'difficult' to listen music

In the case of Lou Reed there was some logical reasoning.

However for something truely hideous try anything by George Michael
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Philly Q on January 29, 2007, 08:13:14 AM
Quote from: _tom_
Anyone else like Tankard?

I was thinking about Tankard after watching those Korpiklaani videos yesterday.  Wondered if anyone would mention them!

Haven't heard them for years, but they were OK - the "joke" wore a bit thin after a while though.
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Kepu on January 29, 2007, 01:24:51 PM
and the best thing about Turisas, Korpiklaani, Finntroll, Ensiferum, Wintersun and Moonsorrow is that they're all from Finland! :lol:
altho I don't really like Turisas or Korpiklaani
and the only thing I like about Ensiferum is their ex-vocalist/guitarist Jari Menp (the mastermind of Wintersun)
Finntroll and Kivimetsn Druidi are kinda weird stuff, they both call them "troll metal" and Finntroll sing in swedish while being from Finland

oh man, can't wait for the 2007 Wintersun album 'Time'!!
(wouldn't call Wintersun either folk or viking metal tho)

but yeah, my fav folk band is Tr
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: Muzzzz on January 30, 2007, 03:45:50 AM
Just wondering Kepu...

do they have letters like '' and '' on Finnish keyboards, or do you have to go into Character Map?
Title: "Noise Music"
Post by: rahnooo on January 30, 2007, 01:29:06 PM
Quote from: 38thBeatle
Anyone heard of John Cage? Lots of very intellectual people raved about it-others thought it was meaninginless random noise. He believed that there was "music" in everyday sound and I am not about to belittle the guy's passionately held beliefs.Interestingly, he also composed a silent work called 4' 33" ( that is "four minutes thirty three seconds") -rather like the opposite of Tom's thread but certainly within topic. To give you an idea of his work, here is a performance of it( no sniggering at the back). I learned of this from reading about Lennon (who of course was into it via Yoko Ono) years ago and was intrigued enough to check it out. I am neither a fan or a non fan I would hasten to add-just trying to get back to Tom's orginal thread.
enjoy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3f0g93D7dc


Aye John Cage did some really interesting stuff. His piece "Imaginary Landscape" with a pre-defined number of randomly tuned radio's is good fun. Steve Reich is another modern composer well worth looking into. Regardless of what you think of these guy's actual music, the thought they put into it and the ideas they came up with are pretty spectacular.

My favourite piece John Cage worked on was getting volunteers to sit in silence at desks with only a pencil each. They were supposed to clear their minds, and tap the pencil on the desk every time they had a new thought. Joh recorded all these taps and used the rhythm for his music. Entirely randomly generated. Amazing stuff.

*Rahnooo*
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Post by: Kepu on January 30, 2007, 02:09:05 PM
Quote from: Muzzzz
Just wondering Kepu...

do they have letters like '' and '' on Finnish keyboards, or do you have to go into Character Map?


for the 'weird' characters we have , and
for I have to use the numpad