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gorath23

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« on: November 09, 2007, 08:20:47 AM »
I've been tempted to change my current setup to something more organic for rhythm playing. I've come across a Japanese Epiphone Les Paul Custom. Whats the concensus on these, good guitars? Whats its worth paying?

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2007, 08:57:22 AM »
this reminds me of a small anecdote:

a denmark street shop assistant once forced a MIJ Epiphone Elitist Les Paul just after they came out into my hands and sat me down with some kind of Marshall. "feel the wieght of that" he said. it was a really solid guitar anyway, even if i wasn't interested in buying a les paul ;)
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2007, 09:04:41 AM »
Japanese Epis are supposedly very good, if you can live with the headstock.  They were the replacement for the Orville guitars that are raved about these days.

I'd pay around £450 for one, depending on condition?

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2007, 09:44:51 AM »
Well, with those old japanese LP's the problem often is that the previous owner(s) didnt always care for them good enough. So i often found them to have bad frets, cr@ppy set neck and sometimes they had corroded pickups and hardware to the point it needed to be replaced.

So checking it out prior to buying would be advicable IMO. If you try it out i would advice to try and listen to the guitar from a recording POV, a custom should sound transparant and dry IMO which is best for recording and post processing IMHO.

The japanese Epi's were made following the gibson tradition, so an old epi LP custom will be one of the heaviest guitars out there, not a bad thing if you are used to a bit of weight, still lengtly practice sessions micht turn out to be quite challenging. On the other hand, if you play sitting down alot those customs do balance best IMHO.

As an alternative for a LP custom model, i allmost bought an epi Genesis, which are early 80's double cutaway LP's. They are dirt cheap but look pretty yawlfull. Still soundwise they are all good and they also made custom versions of those, the custom genesis version i played did cost 250 pounds or thereabout. It also has a standard pickup split switch by the way. In comparison these genesis' dont balance well at all when sitting down.

PS. i would spend 450 pounds on a perfect MIJ LP, but thats about the real limit. If you allready have a LP Standard, i would also suggest to try and find a custom with maple neck, just for above mentioned recording purposes.

EDIT: When talking about the sound of a custom i mean in an acoustic way, i prefer alnico II pafs on such a custom which is a superb match trancparency wise, it will also add to the warmth and sweet melodic tones one would expect from a fine instrument.
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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2007, 09:52:17 AM »
I'd sooner have an Edwards, tbh.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2007, 10:12:29 AM »
I think the Japanese Epiphone LPs are fairly new guitars, certainly the last 10 years.  I think Henk is thinking of the original Epiphones in the 70s which were mainly original designs, not Epiphone as we know it today.

Have you got a pic of the Epiphone LP we're talking about here?  The Elitist series had a strange headstock, but the Japan market models had the proper Gibbo headstock.....

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2007, 10:38:20 AM »
Yeah this one is apparently a 90's version and I've seen pics, it has a Gibbo headstock. I won't be able to buy before playing, so whats the neck like?

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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2007, 10:52:46 AM »
No idea - what's the price like  ;)

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« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2007, 11:03:14 AM »
Can't comment on the LP Customs or Standards, but I have a Japanese Epi LP Jr (with the proper Gibson headstock shape) and it's a great little guitar.  HTH has the same model.

Build quality's as good as my Edwards guitars, the finish is nitro and they seem to have access to the same lightweight timber Edwards use (mine is less than 7 lb).  

As Twinfan mentioned above, the Japanese-market Epiphones have taken over from Orville by Gibson - I wouldn't be surprised if they're from exactly the same production line, the build quality and "style" is very similar.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2007, 07:27:06 PM »
Basically the guy wants a different guitar for his son, he mentions Schecter or ESP, *ding* I have a Schecter I don't really want anymore, so I'm hoping to do a straight swap. It looks killer and its already inspiring me to play, something which the Schecter and its EMG's just aren't anymore. It'll have at least one BKP in it once I'm finished too  :twisted: I've also come across an Orville LP Custom on ebay but its pretty battered and its a K-serial number so I figure the Epi is a better bet? Just a bit worried its going to have a baseball bat neck... It'll be primarily a rhythm guitar but still...