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Henk

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« Reply #15 on: December 11, 2007, 07:31:03 PM »
OK, this i have to read again tomorrow morning :lol:

I do have a (probably very stupid)question.

What if i had a 2x12 cab with 2x8ohm speakers in series and would use my amp at 8ohm anyway, would that counter the damping loss?

I also think my vintage 4x12 'Bass' cab have all 4 speakers in parallel, which do sound pretty tight in the low end allthough they are not the same kind of greenbacks then in my London City cab. Its been a long time since i had a good look whats inside my cabs though :oops:

Very nice food for though actually, thanks.
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« Reply #16 on: December 11, 2007, 11:33:53 PM »
Great posts jpfamps - some of the most informative stuff on series/parallel speaker circuits that I have read on the www. Thanks.

  You're making me wish that I'd got two 16ohm speakers to run in parallel, instead of my two 8 ohms......but the Lord giveth and then taketh away ...... at least with a 16ohm load, I get to use all the windings in the OT. I'm hoping the tonal advantage of that will be worth the loss of a bit of speaker damping.

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« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2007, 09:16:18 AM »
I allways thought the ohmage selection taps were on the second stage and the bigger primary stage was the bulk of like 1,5k of windings.

Anyway, alot of vintage combos were wired 2x12 in parallel and ran at 4 ohm, like the fender twin for instance and so on.

If you have time just try it, i think it will be a treat if youre used to 16ohm/series.
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« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2007, 11:50:34 AM »
Indeed most of the windings are on the primary.

Generally you are advised to use the highest ohmage tap to employ as much of the secondary as possible. Conventional wisdom suggests that the amp sounds better when this is done, however I don't really have an opinion on this either way as it is very difficult to make a sensible comparison.

To make the correct comparison you would first have to ensure the load is correctly matched. I personally think that valve amps sound best when the load is correctly matched, as does everyone who I've had a chance to test this with. I was chatting recently to Andy Marshall of THD electronics (who REALLY knows what he is doing) and he also concurs with this view.

Thus if you have a 16 ohm series parallel 4 x 12 cab it will of course sound different (and almost certainly better) when connected to the 16 ohm tap than the 4 ohm tap. You could of course rewire the cab for 4 ohms and it will probably sound better on the 4 ohm tap, but you now have a cab wired with all 4 speakers in parallel. This will course sound different to a 16 ohm cab wired in series parallel regardless of any transformer utilization. So as you can see (hear!) to do a worthwhile comparison is hard, and when someone says they prefer the sound of a Marshall run at 16 ohms you really have to know what exactly they are doing before you can draw any conclusions.

To further complicate matters, you also need to consider how the transformer is wound. For example Hammond wind most of their transformers so you will use virtually all the secondary whatever load you match. You can also wind a transformer with secondary windings that can match 4 and 16 ohms whilst using all secondary windings. So secondary usage is less of an issue with this style of transformer, although winding topology may be.

Many vintage repro Marshall transformers are made with unused windings eg a 100 V line secondary, or 9K primary windings in the case of the old RS-style JTM45 output transformers. Many people think that this affects the sound of the transformer, although my guess this is due to the topology of the windings as a result of having the extra taps rather than any effects of the unused windings, although to tell the truth there probably isn't a definitive answer to this.

My advice to you would be to try the speakers in series and parallel attached to the appropriate taps and use whichever you prefer.

By the way vintage Fender Twins only have single secondary winding which matches the amp to 4 ohms, so as you are using all the secondary windings which tap you should connect to is not an issue.

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« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2007, 12:55:54 PM »
Very insightfull post, thnx again jpfamps.

Allthough the OT does contribute alot to the final amp sound i never felt it sounded less good on any ohm setting with the appropriate cab, it does however sound different, simple as that IMO.

When i think about what my amp sounds like on either cabinet options i think the 4 ohm parallel 2x12 sounds alot tighter and clearer then the series 2x12 option, however the 16ohm setting has a real nasty growl to it when pushing the amp a bit. I personally dont like the somewhat darker sound at a 16 ohm setting on my JCM800, dont know why that is but anyway i do. I feel i can compare this fairly reasonably because i have a total of 10 geenbacks in 3 cabs which have a similar signature.

Ill try a carefull mismatch later today or maybe tomorrow, see what that brings, if my memory is correct it just sounds like they are out of sync with the sound, kind of frizzy highs deal.
Mules in '76 Gibson custom with maple neck.