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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2008, 04:29:52 PM »
not many, even less in white :wink: !!

the bridge is always angled for compensation but it does seem a little much on that guitar

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« Reply #2 on: January 24, 2008, 04:34:26 PM »
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not many, even less in white :wink: !!

the bridge is always angled for compensation but it does seem a little much on that guitar


I noticed on the right handed ones that the bridge wasn't angled as much!!

I`m not interested in a Gibson one really as I know I could probably get better from you, Bob or Jonathon but it did interest me as I have never seen one before!! The price is ridiculous.

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« Reply #3 on: January 24, 2008, 04:49:40 PM »
im sure you could get a custom with better quality workmanship... but the timber used on those '60s Gibsons is something special rarely seen today!

of course - a few years of wear loosens them nicely too :)

nevertheless, that guitar seems ridiculously over priced.
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« Reply #4 on: January 24, 2008, 05:04:14 PM »
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but the timber used on those '60s Gibsons is something special rarely seen today!


 A lot of old gibsons had nicer wood because it was what would turn up when they ordered wood, now they are more likely to get a mix of weights and tones from the wood because its not available in the quantities, sizes or specific species that it was back then

there is still wood thats just as good as the old gibson stocks out there but it takes longer to find, not something gibson can afford to do.

i would still like an old gibbo like that though!

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« Reply #5 on: January 24, 2008, 05:10:23 PM »
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there is still wood thats just as good as the old gibson stocks out there but it takes longer to find, not something gibson can afford to do.


somehow i'm pleased i was wrong, thanks for the clarification

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i would still like an old gibbo like that though!


+1 there :)
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« Reply #6 on: January 24, 2008, 05:24:16 PM »
It's rare, but it's about twice the price it should be   :o

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« Reply #7 on: January 24, 2008, 09:21:35 PM »
yep...I had a '63 just like this one...62 or 63..would have to check-unless there is something about the '61 being super rare, I agree it is terribly over priced
-lefties are more rare,but less sought after, it would seem(unless Paul or Jimi owned it...)
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« Reply #8 on: January 24, 2008, 10:22:00 PM »
I've got a lefty mate who'd kill for that SG.  I'd better not say anything - it'll just depress him.

And yes, the white ones are MUCH rarer and pretty much double the price.  I'd love a white SG jr.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2008, 09:40:37 AM »
Well in those days Gibson was set on making the best damn guitars possible and setting a new standard doing so. All proved way too expensive and in the 70's commercial interests took over, at least thats how i see it.

The first series SG's are highly sought after at the moment, even the 'players' are fetching a good price.

This kind off takes me back to how i got interested in old Gibsons anyway. It was like in the early 90's i could buy a genuine 54's goldtop, but rerouted to fit humbuckers, tom bridge and had a refinished Top. Mind though it was still the price of a small car.....

Anyway, after playing it, the damn thing just hexed me, couldnt get the thing out of my head, it was THAT sound which made me forget all other guitars. It got snatched off by some collector though....... :cry:

Anyway, i found later that the old Gibson players(which did get played alot and were not in a collectible condition) are the best tonemonsters around, and often cost only a fraction of that the same guitar would cost when it were in collectible condition.

Very often i also end up with guitars which have a very bad pickup change and noone wants it because it just sounds dreadfull. So basically i buy it solely on acoustical sound, which is a bit of a risk though.

Still, buying an old Gibson for little money and bringing it back again to proper specs is such a rewarding thing to me. I long forgot that old goldtop now allthough it still had the biggest sustainer frenzy tone(Gary would drool) i can remember ever hearing.

Anyway, still lots off duds around, most players have got some cheaply replaced parts so pretty much your buying wood. If you dont really care much about feely touchy things or cant distinguish the sound of GOOD wood anyway, dont bother and just leave them all to me :wink:  :roll:

On the subject of wood by the way, alot of mahagony comes from plantations nowadays, which is different then the century old giants they were making guitars from in the old days. The choise of tonewood just was abundant because of the thickness of the trees back then. Like WezV said, you can still find small quantities, good mahagony is quite expensive though. And on that subject, if you doubt it makes alot of difference, you never heard a good mahagony guitar! :P
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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2008, 10:00:13 AM »
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On the subject of wood by the way, alot of mahagony comes from plantations nowadays, which is different then the century old giants they were making guitars from in the old days. The choise of tonewood just was abundant because of the thickness of the trees back then.


This is the main point on the wood, if you imagine gibson getting wood for its guitars they are going to get a lot more consistency when so many bodies can come from the same tree.  Smaller trees means more flaws, definately a less straight grain and a hell of a lot more inconsistency between body blanks if they are likely to come from different trees... but some is still great for us small builders that dont need a large consistent supply.. we can just keep our eyes open and pick nice pieces out when we need them!!!  


Same thing goes for Braz rosewood.. you can still buy it and people go mad for it.. it tends to look crazy, lots of figuring and colour variation, a lot of it is old stumpwood or offcuts and massively overpriced for what it is

Old guitars with braz rosewood tend to have stright grained and fairly dull looking wood by comparision.  Those old bits where chosen because they were the best thing for the job and easily available at the time.  the blanks you see now are the bits that wouldn't have made it onto most guitars but people pay crazy prices for them

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2008, 10:49:29 AM »
Old wood is kind of better for a few reasons, I did some reseach into making a snooker cue a while back....... it's on the ever list of projects to do, but not at the bottom anymore.  In my case I was looking at ash btw.

Newer wood tends to be farmed or come from managed forests where the trees are generally further apart than they would be in the wild.  This means that they grow faster and the growth rings are spaced further apart.  In the case of snooker cues you want "old growth" ash, i.e more rings per inch.  Not sure if that's the correct name, but I've seen it around a few places.  I'm not 100% sure how this translates into the voodoo of tonewoods, but it sure is better wood.

I always keep my eye on knackered things made out of wood as alot of the old things have really old really stable wood that can be salvaged.  I know of guitar necks made out of bainsters  :D
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