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« on: January 21, 2008, 01:33:37 PM »
I just got my Mule & MQ set this morning. The packaging is quite impressive, very neat, full extras. I can't wait to put them in my LP studio. This new set of pup has been long overdue for her.

The pup just look fantastic!

But the best my friend is that it is only the beginning... Before the end of the week something bigger should arrive home, that's all I'll tell you for now.

Before I forgot, how do you think an out of phase wiring would sound with these 2 pups, the Mule measure 8.4k and the MQ is at 6.6k? I quite enjoyed this sound with the 490R and 498T but they are buckers... so is it gonna make any differences?
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« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2008, 04:30:34 PM »
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I just got my Mule & MQ set this morning. The packaging is quite impressive, very neat, full extras. I can't wait to put them in my LP studio. This new set of pup has been long overdue for her.

The pup just look fantastic!

But the best my friend is that it is only the beginning... Before the end of the week something bigger should arrive home, that's all I'll tell you for now.

Before I forgot, how do you think an out of phase wiring would sound with these 2 pups, the Mule measure 8.4k and the MQ is at 6.6k? I quite enjoyed this sound with the 490R and 498T but they are buckers... so is it gonna make any differences?


I was surprised how well the single coil pickups on my Baja Tele worked when switched to paralell / out of phase. A very 'Peter Green' sound, albeit  thinner sounding than the same trick with two humbuckers (Mules).

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« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2008, 06:30:04 PM »
I have the Mule IV set and i really love them alot, they sound very different then the stock 490/498 at least, much smoother an WAY more like a true PAF basically.

I see you have put alnico IV bars on the 490/498, im very interested to know how you think they sound, especially how they 'feel' on the high end. Any basic thought on an eq shift due ot the magnet change? Do you have any clean tracks to share?
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« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2008, 06:47:17 PM »
MQ neck and Mule bridge sound great together, be sure to try the in-phase wiring before going out of phase. You might want to keep that in-between sound. 8)

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« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2008, 08:24:28 PM »
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I have the Mule IV set and i really love them alot, they sound very different then the stock 490/498 at least, much smoother an WAY more like a true PAF basically.

I see you have put alnico IV bars on the 490/498, im very interested to know how you think they sound, especially how they 'feel' on the high end. Any basic thought on an eq shift due ot the magnet change? Do you have any clean tracks to share?


No, I wanted to do some recording but I ended up A/Bing the Epi and the Gibby to assess the "new pups".

The neck: First I changed the A2 for an A5. I think it made a fair pup out of the 490R. Bye bye muddiness. It got quite aggressive if not a bit shrill. I think it is a good combo but it wasn't really what I wanted.
Then I swap for an A4. This became a very good pick up. In comparison with the '59n with A4 I have in the Epi, it had higher output, bassier sound but not boomy at all. And when I rolled back the tone a few notches I managed to get a sweet mellow sound that the '59 could just not produce. Clarity wise it wasn't too far off from the '59.

Overall I still prefer the '59 but the 490R with A4 is definitely the way to get nice sound out of the stock pup.

On the other hand, the 498T with A4 was just a turd. Pardon my French. Not defined at all, it was getting muddy with my FOD overdrive at the same kind of output level as the '59 bridge in the Epi. When you know that the 498T got way more output than the '59 you realise what a waste this is as you just can't use this extra power. Just undifined mush.

The original A5 was slightly better, but not by much. The ceramic mag taken from the stock pup of the Epi was giving the 498T a bit more focus. playable but it wouldn't break 3 legs to a duck.

Finaly, I opted for an A2 just before getting the pup out of the guitar and for the short span of time I tried, it seemed to be the solution to get a usable and nearly enjoyable sound: Rawer but in a good way. Still not really defined but somehow it does suit the pup.

Anyway, now I will be talking about sound.
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« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2008, 08:29:26 PM »
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MQ neck and Mule bridge sound great together, be sure to try the in-phase wiring before going out of phase. You might want to keep that in-between sound. 8)


I was thinking that seeing that there is 2 conductors to the MQ anyway, if I change my mind it will be pretty easy to inverse the polarity.

I just took out the stock pup and I am about to put in the BKPs. I already managed to make a scratch on the cover of the MQ while trying to adjust in a nice herringbone pattern the screws... Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. I am going green. How do I do to be this clumsy! They were so beautiful these pups... They still are actually but... I guess that it is a way to make it mine. And the sound will be awesome anyway.

Right, it's not I don't like you guys, but I really feel the urge to put these things in the beast and give it a try. I'lltry to post a wee review before the end of the week.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2008, 10:22:44 PM »
O la Bare Knuckle friends.

I gave a first run to the pups right after installation through my amplug AC30.

First thing that strike me was the the MQn was way louder than the Mule bridge. I don't know if it is a mistake in my wiring but wah!!! The MQn is loud! And it sounds gorgeous. I managed to dial in a few sound that made it sing quite nicely.

The Mule, after screwing it as close to the string as I could, was getting on a par with the neck pup volume wise, under overdrive... it was still weaker with clean sound. I must have done something wrong. Same thing though, I managed to dial in some sweet sounds.

And the in-between sound in phase seems quite all right as well. It needs further playing, and with my main rig especially, but if anyone has an idea on why there is such a difference of output, please don't hold back and come and tell me.

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« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2008, 09:20:58 AM »
True singles are often punchier and louder sounding then a HB. I would suggest to use the set as i am using my Mule set, bridge for rythm and neck for lead. You can play with the volumes a bit on the leads that way too, at least to me it works out fine. And yes my Mule set also favors the neck volume wise.

Alot will depend on the eq setting, it could be you dial in a fair amount of bass on your amp and that would make up for an extra bit of difference. I usually roll off a bit of the highs on the bridge Mule and play a pretty much flat eq amp, maybe you can give that a try if you didnt allready.

Your discription on putting different mag's in the stock gibson pickups is very consistent with what i have gathered by now, helped me along very much, thanks!
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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2008, 01:28:50 PM »
Thanks for the reply Henk.

I tryed the pups only with the Amplug AC30 (matchbox size AC30 pluged into  headphones) which is rather bright. I do need to try it with my Laney to assess better what is going on.

On the amplug, I had to roll of the tone knob of the amp below 3 to get a sound that wasn't too brash.

Might not have a chance to give it a try today though  :(
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« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2008, 09:29:26 PM »
At last my friends it finally happened. I got some time to play my newly BKP loaded Les Paul... cr@ppy photo below :roll:

As I said previously, at first it was a bit panic on board when I discovered the difference of projection of these pick ups... It's funny how being on several guitar related board on the web... and especially this one, I would have heard of this kind of phenomenon already... Anyway.

I played with the hight of the pups, and all turned out for the best... well maybe the Mule is a bit too close and killing some sustain but, having the neck bridge flush with the lower side of the pup ring is a benediction for me. I actually didn't remember but not so long ago I had to watch my picking technic because I was heating the neck pup all the time... Well... It's not gonna happen on this guitar now.

Sound wise, with this hight configuration, both pup have similar output with the Mule offering more bites. Excellent! Started to play some of my compos. I found very quickly a setup that suited each of th eones I played. Got on some ZZ Top and that was the revelation  :!:

While a wee play with the tone knob of the Mule gave me sastisfaction for songs like 'Waiting for the bus' and 'Two ways to play', it is with the middle position that I found a brilliant sound for 'Nationwide' ! I nearly fell on my... bottom. I was playing a middle position, that was plain brilliant... and I didn't have to go out of phase. Peter Antal, you couldn't have been more right. Switching off the OD, it turned out to be quite good to play Unplgged AIC.

Now, and that's one of the point to get these pups, I could go higher in the drive and boost settings of the FOD without turning everything to mud... I definitely have gained in clarity. I wouldn't say the PM are brilliant but it sounded good for more modern stuff as well like Slash's Snakepit songs, with the FOD in tight mode. I'll need to record to get a clear idea on this point, versatility has improved here.

Playing Aerosmith was easy cheesy, back on loose mode and brdige full on.

In a word, or three: Que du bonheur !

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« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2008, 04:42:03 AM »
Glad to see you've found a sweet spot. 8) Don't worry, the Mule won't kill sustain as it's very close to the bridge. That birdseye (?) Epi looks great!

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« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2008, 09:54:46 PM »
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Glad to see you've found a sweet spot. 8) Don't worry, the Mule won't kill sustain as it's very close to the bridge. That birdseye (?) Epi looks great!


Thanks Peter, Unfortunately for this beauty, during this week, it went from my number 1 to my number 3.

The jury has now to deliberate on who will be the new number one:
The Gibby with the new BKPs
or
The brand new MIA Telecaster (thread with pics to follow tomorrow)
'17 PRS SE Custom 24 - stock
'07 Fender MIA Tele - The Boss set
'96 Gibson LP studio - MQn, The Mule b
'95 Epi LP classic - MQs