Floyd Rose Routing Question

[Modular1]

do all those kind of trems need extra routing compared to a standard vintage strat tremelo?

is there any floyd rose style that can just replace and standard strat trem? (post fitting obviously required)

[noodleplugerine]

Kahler trems are meant to be great - And they can be flat mounted.

[Stevepage]

There's the Fender Floyd Rose bridge. I'm not sure if they still produce them (they were on USA Plus Strats in the 90's) but you might be able to find one on ebay. They're basically a strat trem with locking saddles. Put some locking tuners on and there you go.

Here's what it looked like

http://www.fender.com/products/prod_images/accessories/1996510100_xl.jpg

[FELINEGUITARS]

The original Floyd Rose does not need to be routed for up-pull
Players like Eddie Van Halen and Steve Stevens have their floyds set firm against the body - only drops the pitch - no raising it

The thing to watch for is the amount of clearance between he strings and body of the guitar where the bridge mounts and if there is enough room to get a Floyd in here and keep good action without recessing it or shimming the neck too much.

The Floyd was designed to go on a strat so in most cases it should work on that type of guitar.

I would disagree with using a Kahler flatmount as you already have a big hole from the strat trem that suits the Floyd - if you had a hardtail or a blank body with no trem rout then it may be worth considering if you like Kahler trems. I much prefer the feel of a Floyd - i find Kahlers too light to use and I feel that they can rob sustain from guitars (I'm not alone in my thinking here either- no matter what Kerry King uses)

[Philly Q]

I much prefer the feel of a Floyd - i find Kahlers too light to use and I feel that they can rob sustain from guitars (I'm not alone in my thinking here either- no matter what Kerry King uses)

I agree about the sustain - I think it's because the string angle behind the saddles changes, so there's almost no pressure on them when the bar's being used.  But I did find it was more of a problem on a set-neck than a bolt-on, maybe something to do with the different ways they resonate?

Despite that, I love the feel of Kahlers and hate the feel of Floyds.  As regards the lighter feel, there used to be an option to put springs from the Kahler bass models on the guitar bridges, for more tension.  I never actually tried it.  

But I basically don't use trems at all now, so I should shut up. :roll:

[il˙ti]

How bout one of these?

www.tremking.com

[WezV]

yeah, kahlers are definately very light to the touch... i reckon thats a great thing - but takes a bit more control to get right..  there are always other ways to get sustain

but in this case its much easier to go with a floyd like jonathan says - you already have most of the routing even if you wanted to recess it

I'm looking at trying one of those trem kings on my next trem equipped guitar... might be a while though!!

[il˙ti]

I'm looking at trying one of those trem kings on my next trem equipped guitar... might be a while though!!

Sweet! I'm gonna try one too, but on a cheap guitar first so I don't permanently damage a good guitar, in case it doesn't work as needed.

The only use of it in action I've seen is the video on the site, and we know how misleading those can be.

[FELINEGUITARS]

I fitted one and I'm not very impressed
The theory is good but in reality it is a bit poorly made - cheap metals etc

I would much rather have a Hipshot tremolo or one of Tim's vintage reissue strat trems

Here is a piccy of the Hipshot:

[Will]

Kahlers too light to use and I feel that they can rob sustain from guitars

Never played any other Kahler, but in the LP, I get bored of that much sustain.
Resonance on the other hand wasn't the strong point.

Was Noodle referring to the Kahler's that were a licensed FR? Have I heard something about them meant to fit a standard strat rout or something :? (apologies for dodgy memory)

edit: So my point being, in a heavy guitar there would still be enough sustain, but in a strat, there isn't much left?
and I miss my guitar :( it was perfect for the Top Gun theme

[il˙ti]

That's good to know. Looks like the hipshot is available for 7s too.
How do they compare to a floyd in terms of sustain and staying in tune? I can't imagine I'll want to do divebombs or anything, but I keep wanting to do those subtle bend-downs and bigsby-style chord vibratoes. I just don't like having to use a locking nut, which puts me off floyd equipped guitars, and vintage trems have the tuning problem.

(don't worry, it's for a future guitar I have in mind, I would rather choke on someone elses vomit than put a whammy in my LP)

[Modular1]

The original Floyd Rose does not need to be routed for up-pull
Players like Eddie Van Halen and Steve Stevens have their floyds set firm against the body - only drops the pitch - no raising it

cool. im upgrading a 2nd hand frankenstrat body with a new neck and a floyd rose.

am i right in thinking i can fit one to this strat body (which has a standard vintage style on at mo) that ive bought, without any extra routing? i just need to fit the posts.....?