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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #15 on: August 02, 2008, 01:27:56 AM »
Excellent review Andy, very well detailed. The neck pickup has more of a strat sound, I think Phil King said something similar.
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #16 on: August 02, 2008, 07:51:44 AM »
Interesting. When I am next in a guitar store I am going to check out the Bajas -they are a good price in Andertons and if I can get myself sorted regarding a regular income I may be tempted.Good review Andy. I would like to put the Blackguards head to head against the County Boys for the sake of comparison.
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #17 on: August 02, 2008, 09:58:17 AM »
The neck pickup has more of a strat sound, I think Phil King said something similar.

I remember Phil K saying something like that, but are you sure it was about the Blackguard neck? I've just been giving them a little comparison - There must be strats that sound like this, but mine doesn't... My strat neck sounds more nasal, hard, and, well, strat-like. (But that might be more to do with the strat sounds I prefer!!)

My Baja b/g neck in comparison sounds rounded and open - and yes Philly Q, it does do those pretty clean tones, in fact very chimey :D - must have been my ears getting tired last night, but that extra warmth and bottom end that I'm so impressed with is still there, though.

The other things I hadn't spotted last night:

1. I probably take this one too much for granted with BKPs now, but the standard "chords sound so much better with BKPs" effect is there. Even with distorted sounds, you're aware of every note.

2. I've discovered that I'd been picking this guitar very hard to get the tone I want, and that's how I was still playing it last night. I find this morning that that's what gives me the extra "boingg" as it were :lol: The BKPs, as usual, seem a lot more responsive to pick attack. Suddenly I'm varying the attack a lot more, like I do on my other BKP guitars without even thinking - and that's how I've found the chime Philly! It's even possible that I'll be able to lower the action a bit now - I was suffering from "blues-player with heavy hands" fret-buzz, so I'd had to put a fair bit of relief in the neck and raise the action higher than my strat. I just couldn't figure out why I wasn't able to set it up nearer to what my strat is like - it would appear that the answer was "cos you're beating the cr@p out of the strings even for normal playing..."

All in all, for me, these Blackguards are definitely an improvement over the stock pups. It's turned my nice Baja that "I ought to like a bit more than I do" into a very tasty guitar that I want to pick up because I do like it.

I would like to put the Blackguards head to head against the County Boys for the sake of comparison.

Same here 38th - if what I play was more consistently in the country-blues, Albert Lee, etc, area, then Country Boys had to be it. But I seem to want to cast a wider net, so I reasoned that the Blackguards (aiming at the pups in the guitars that caused all the fuss amongst country and blues players in the first place) would be a really good all-rounder. But even when you get what you wanted, even better than you expected, you still kinda wonder what the other choices might have been like, don't you?!
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #18 on: August 02, 2008, 10:24:17 AM »
Thanks for all this info, Andy - sounds like the Blackguards are going to be #1 choice if/when I BKP one of my Teles.
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #19 on: August 02, 2008, 12:21:23 PM »
I concur exactly with Andy R -  I don't really now how a Tele neck is supposed to sound (can't think of a reference tone) so from the start I set the neck to sound stratish.  Overtime I have set to work in the the pos4 out of phase sound (as per my shoddy clip) for a Peter Green like tone.  Turn the tone control down 40% and those jazzy tones are there without effort.

I should say that the Baja pickups are hotter - BG are about 5k in the neck compared to 5.9k on the Baja and the bridge BG is about 7.75k as opposed to 9k.  But the stock Baja don't sound as thick.  The one thing you get in spades with the BGs is Roy Buchanan style pinch harmonics - they jump out at you with no effort. 

I would really recommend BG Flat 50s for Baja players who want a more tele sounding tele.  That and a Callaham bridge for extra sustain - oh, and .........
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #20 on: August 02, 2008, 12:47:52 PM »
Just before I go up town (and try not to buy more than a few plectrums, maybe a packet of winegums or something :roll:), I've been playing it all morning and what Elliot says is definitely the key for me: "a more tele sounding tele". If I'd already got one of those, then I'd have stuck with the Baja's pickups for a "different" tele sound I think.

All of the BKP sets I've had, I've had to "get used" to in some way - they usually force a rethink on how I play that particular guitar. This is the first set where that process has taken less than 24hrs - I'm extremely pleased with them, it feels like I've been using them for years already.

And you're right about the pinch harmonics Elliot - I hadn't actually noticed that. I tend to use them a lot without even thinking about it - it might be one of the reasons I like these pups so much...
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #21 on: August 02, 2008, 01:24:00 PM »
Great review! :)

I'm putting a set of BG 55 Staggers in my new Tele tomorrow, so I'll see how they work out :)
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Re: Roobubba look away - just ordered new tele pups INITIAL REVIEW
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2008, 02:11:55 PM »
 Andy! Yes,  the neck does have an strat flavor, very noticeable, without being totally strat. It does have that nasal characteristic that you mentioned, but less evident than let's say the Trilogies, and the Apaches that we have. Very different than the neck pickup that was on the tele, a 62 custom reissue, rosewood fretboard. The 52 tele would be a more accurate choice. I thought about getting close to the RoyB tone, only to hear and be surprised when the tech pointed that the sound was closer to the Page tele, also rosewood fretboard. I have seen this before with other BKPs, they don't impose a certain tone on the guitar, rather they bring out the character of the instrument, wood, built quality, working along with it.
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