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gwEm

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boosting with a Boss PQ-3B 'Bass Parametric Equalizer'
« on: May 01, 2008, 11:53:41 AM »
I frequently mention how much I like my modified Boss GE-7. I keep coming back to this pedal as a booster.

Anyway, I knew all along a good parametric EQ would be a better choice. TO reminded me of this on the forum, and so I brought one. Single band parametric EQs are available as pedals, but multiband ones are rare, and tend to be rack units. Spec-wise the Boss PQ-3B would seem to be about the best compromise between features and user friendliness, and I was lucky enough to find one on ebay.

Affect on tone when inserted and switched off
There is a small but noticeable bass loss. High end is hardly changed. Unusual for a Boss pedal.

Affect on tone when switched on and controls in a neutral position
Slight volume increase. Marginally more pronounced "presence" range. Negligible increase in noise.

In use compared to standard GE-7
Overall the pedal is alot less noisy than a standard GE-7, I also believe its a bit more transparent. +18dB of clean boost is useful, and its a nice clean boost too!

I expected the 'Low' and 'High' controls to be shelved EQs, in fact they are band EQs. It would be *much* nicer to have these as shelves in my opinion.

Setting the controls to extreme settings increases the noise of course, but its less than a standard Boss GE-7. The 'Q' of the filters is a little bit nasty - I put this down to cheap capacitors used. I wanted to set the controls for a largeish bass roll off, a light treble roll off and a mid boost, with the output level maxed out. Thats how I use my GE-7.

The bass roll off is easy enough to dialin - the parametric EQ makes it easy to do in a good way. Using with a bass rather than electric guitar I found I could dial in some cool tones using this control too.

Treble roll off was not quite so satisfying, the slightly nasty Q and the band rather than shelved nature of this control meant the results were a little unpredictable with electric guitar. With a bass this control was more usable, but occasionally ice-picky. Treble was nice through my JMP50 than the Lead 12.

I found using the mid control for getting a modern 'scooped' sound on bass and electric was very easy and satisfactory. That was fun for a while, but I wanted to boost the mids in general. Boosting the mids did not give nice or predictable results. Even with a minimal boost it sounded very wah like.

So overall I'd say this would be a nice pedal for a modern metal bassist or guitarist. It sounded better than an standard GE-7 and was lower noise etc etc. Cool scooped sounds, great control over bass frequencies.

For those looking for a more classic boosted mid sounds I wasn't so keen, it ended up sounding artifical however I dialled it in.

Modding thoughts
Obviously the PQ-3B sucked life out of the tone compared to my modded GE-7, and was noiser. I also noted the Q of the filters was a bit nasty. Of course modding could address these issues quite easily with new op-amps and capacitors.

Opening the pedal revealed a relatively simple circuit with 6 inline opamps. Perhaps Monte Allums chip adapters could be used. The capacitors were easily accessible.

Would modding make mid boosts more usable? I think so, but it would need a lot of experimentation which I don't have time for. A great mod would be to change the bass and treble controls to be shelves.

Will I trade my modded GE-7 for a standard PQ-3B
No

Will I trade my modded GE-7 for a modded PQ-3B
Don't know - but I have my doubts. Both pedals have their uses.

How would I design a parametric EQ pedal for guitar?
Low - shelf EQ, one knob controls cutoff frequency
High - shelf EQ, one knob controls cutoff frequency
Mid - full parametric EQ with cutoff frequency, Q and boost
Level - one knob controlling boost with a wide range bias towards boost. -12 to +24dB maybe

I think a single band parametric EQ with nice bass shelf and overall level control would have its uses too.

Relative ratings
Standard GE-7 7/10
Standard PQ-3B 8/10
Modded GE-7 9/10
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Re: boosting with a Boss PQ-3B 'Bass Parametric Equalizer'
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2008, 11:51:38 AM »
Just been reading back a bit, these things confuse me. Does a parametric EQ have a selectable frequency peak / trough then?

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Re: boosting with a Boss PQ-3B 'Bass Parametric Equalizer'
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2008, 12:20:37 PM »
Just been reading back a bit, these things confuse me. Does a parametric EQ have a selectable frequency peak / trough then?

yes, you can select a frequency, and how much you want to boost/cut it by.

more fancy parametrics allow you to select the size of the range around the center frequency you adjust.

as you can tell, i thought it was a really good idea to use as a booster, since it would give quite alot of flexibility. in fact, the design of the pedal could have been a better... i mean its good for a boss, but not in the same class as a boutique or modded pedal. in fact, i've not really used since this initial test.

i lated found dimebag used a rack parametic eq - which one would have thought would be of high quality, and it shows my idea worked for someone. i don't want the hassle of carrying round a rack with me though. yesterday i was really impressed by the design of the EQ on the RC booster i got from twinfan. didn't have the facility to do a mid boost per se though, but it shows the benefits of good design.

i'd love the chance to design a pedal

edit: quite tempted by your V, by the way
« Last Edit: August 14, 2008, 12:22:55 PM by gwEm »
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Re: boosting with a Boss PQ-3B 'Bass Parametric Equalizer'
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2008, 12:25:46 PM »
Sounds tempting, I prefer a lead boost at about 2.5K, can you dial it in as the number value, or just turning a knob until it sounds right?
Did you mod it in the end? and is it recomendable?
Sorry for the questions, but I tried reading stuff about them, and my brain got in a knot :?

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Re: boosting with a Boss PQ-3B 'Bass Parametric Equalizer'
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2008, 12:39:38 PM »
Sounds tempting, I prefer a lead boost at about 2.5K, can you dial it in as the number value, or just turning a knob until it sounds right?
Did you mod it in the end? and is it recomendable?
Sorry for the questions, but I tried reading stuff about them, and my brain got in a knot :?

i haven't had the time to mod it unfortunately. the EQ has three bands with different ranges (i forget exactly what now) so, yeah - you do a bit of both, there are numbers to set it roughly and then you can tweak it by ear.

is it recommendable... mmm - hard to say. its abit rare, and you pay slight collectors prices. In my case I paid £78.30. I would say its on the cusp of recommendability. i'd probably sell mine if you were interested, or if you pay the postage i'd loan it to you.

artec do a 'cheap as chips' single band parametric (the boss is 3 bands) which you can get for 30 quid on ebay. i never tried it, but it might be cool to experiment with.
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