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Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« on: September 13, 2008, 06:40:25 AM »
I had a piece of info that I thought you all might be able to discern for me. I am not so good with effects and all. I have this book called Masters of Rock Guitar by Peter Fischer, and he said this about his equipment

'' What always impressed me about Randy Rhoads guitar sound was that it was very full. On record he used to record everything 3 times, and on stage to get this full sound you  can either use a Stereo Chorus with the effect level down really low or you can use a Pitch shifter/harmonizer set at pitch control at 0.1 ( a tenth of a tone )

Now I have absolutly no experience whatsoever with either of these effects, or any Idea what the guy meant when he said one tenth. But I thought that some of you might, and might advise me as to which one (chorus/pitch shifter) might sound better. My thoughts are on the pitch selector but I really have no clue.


As some of you may have wondered why so many posts asking questions about effects or pickups. Well I have just sold my solid state amps and I have moved on to tube amps with not effects so I need some help with these tones. I used to be able to turn the dials between delay or reverb or whatever but not now.

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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2008, 07:20:57 AM »
i would go with the stereo chorus.. the MXR one.. but you will either need a stereo amp (which most arnt, even if it uses two cabs it most likely isnt a stereo cab) or two amps.  its something like the effect a 12 string guitar gets... as a 12 string guitar commonly doesnt or cant have totally correct intonation and will be ever so slightly out of tune.

a chorus sort of thickens the texture with slight pitch modulation... it is very slight.  I seem to remember rhoads using the original mxr chorus.

If you have a steteo amp and it has a stereo effects loop you may need a 2 in 2 out chorus.. which the mxr isnt.. that one is more designed to go from a guitar input to two amps.
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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2008, 09:53:04 AM »
I can't advise on which models to buy, but I did use both effects years ago on a demo.

I was lead & vox in a three-piece, and on previous demos we'd found that I was a bit of an "overdub-nightmare". So I went into this demo thinking "one main guitar part", minimal overdubs. But playing a strat, I was worried about how thin the band might sound like that. I'd read about the idea of using chorus so I talked to the engineer and after he'd figured out what I meant he dialled this up: Dry guitar panned all the way to the left, chorus (mono, 100% wet, ie no dry signal, minimal chorus) panned all the way to the right.

We LOVED it the minute we heard it, and proceeded to use it like that through all playbacks during tracking. Then the night of mixing, the engineer told me he'd been thinking about my original requirement - thicken it up - and he was a little worried about the chorus effect, had we got used to the "wobble" and weren't noticing it? And he offered me another option - pitch shifting. Dry guitar panned all the way left, detuned version panned all the way right. Rest of the band couldn't hear the difference, even a blind A-B test, but I could and in the blind test chose pitch shifting as better - so that's what we mixed. (I think the detuned version had a slight delay on it as well, again, 100% wet, no dry "undelayed" signal)

So, my preference would be to pitch shift - unless I actually wanted the modulation "wobble" of chorus ("chorus" is a moving pitch shift anyway - I don't know, but are there any guitar chorus pedals that allow you to switch the modulation off, and just use it as pitch shift? You'd have the best of both worlds then :D).

By the way, I agree with Spitfire, for either to fatten your sound live, you need to be able to split to two channels - so, you'd need two amps, or a stereo amp, as well as your chosen effect.
« Last Edit: September 13, 2008, 09:55:39 AM by AndyR »
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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #3 on: September 13, 2008, 10:31:05 AM »
So, my preference would be to pitch shift - unless I actually wanted the modulation "wobble" of chorus ("chorus" is a moving pitch shift anyway - I don't know, but are there any guitar chorus pedals that allow you to switch the modulation off, and just use it as pitch shift? You'd have the best of both worlds then :D).

yea makes sense.. a pitch shift is a tidier way of doing it
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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #4 on: September 13, 2008, 02:33:16 PM »
I have the same book and remember that section about Randy. I still play one of those licks as part of my warm-up sometimes.

A very slight chorus in the effect loop should be all you need. I can't recommend you a model really, I used two different Ibanez (one a CF7 and one an old one), an Electro Harmonix Small Clone and a DOD chorus so far. I must say they were all pretty cr@ppy choruses except for the one old Ibanez one (I think it was like the reissue one). I had that chorus only borrowed, it wasn't actually mine.
I would guess either that one or a standard Boss Chorus would work best for that type of sound, as they have enough treble end (you wouldn't want to dull the sound).
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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #5 on: September 13, 2008, 06:01:40 PM »
No Stereo cab here. only one cab. Seems like there should still be a way to do it though. The thing I saw in the Pitch shifter that I didnt like was that you had to switch to different keys on the pedal like from Am to G to Dm. I kind of want something like my treble boost which I keep on most of the time, and it makes my tone better. I guess maybe Chorus would be the way to go. One question is what is the Difference between Stereo Chorus and Chorus????

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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 06:11:45 PM »
Stereo chorus has two outputs and if you use them (means having two amps or going into a mixer via two inputs) you'll have stereo chorus.
IMO not really necessary for 90% of guitarists in live situations.
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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 06:25:02 PM »
Is the effect that you seek possibly like an ADT (automatic double track ) effect
These were popular units or as part of a digital delay that featured a bit of modulation

Saw something like this on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Vintage-Carlsbro-ADT-Effects-Pedal_W0QQitemZ290260201642QQihZ019QQcategoryZ22669QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2008, 08:20:57 PM »
ILL check it out

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Re: Randy Rhoads equiptment Ideas
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2008, 02:22:26 PM »
That is a chorus pedal!!