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Antag

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Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« on: November 16, 2008, 08:05:45 AM »
A while ago, I made my 1000th post, almost frothing at the mouth at my NEW CAB :)

Basically, it started life as an Engl Standard 4x12" slanted, then I swapped the V60 speakers out for a pair of Celestion Classic Lead 80s & a pair of Celestion G12K-100s.  I always meant to write a more detailed review once I'd had a chance to properly play in the speakers & get over the feeling of total euphoria.

Well, I've managed the former, but not the latter - I'm still absolutely bowled over by this cab - & essentially my initial impression has proved right:

This cab is much better suited to the Savage than the Mesa 2x12" (with Vintage 30s).  The Rectifier had a dark, "sludgy", loose kinda feel to it which suited the Vintage 30s in the Mesa cab.  But since I got the Savage I'd struggled to tame a really "hard" top end with that cab.  Both the Classic Lead 80s & K100s are much smoother than V30s.

I've read several posts/reviews etc that described the CL80 as essentially a "warmer" V30 & that description has a lot of merit - it does have a more rounded top end.  It also has really creamy sweet mids that make leads SING.  Fast lead runs or stacatto riffs really jump out with all the clarity you could want.  But unlike the V30 it needs to be pushed reasonably hard to get the bass to open up - it's as if it doesn't really start to push out the low frequencies until the volume is up a bit.  They really "come alive" in the low end once the Savage's Master Vol is >3½ (that may not sound like much, but believe me, that's VERY LOUD :twisted:) - in other words, at bedroom levels the CL80 has less low end than V30s.

However, the K100s have a HUGE low end.  Absolutely tons of bass, but nice & tight/defined with plenty of midrange chunk.  To my ears, they seems to respond uniformly at ANY volume - they certainly take everything the Savage can throw at them.  Celestion's marketing blurb make them sound like just metal speakers, but I'm so impressed with the clean sound from these.  When breaking them in I was playing clean so loud that the house shook yet they still sounded clear & full.

The mix of the two speakers is working really well for me.  They seem to compliment each other & give me a very rich, full sound - heavy riffs almost sound like two guitarists playing :lol:

When I chose these speakers I was thinking mainly of my high gain sound, but all 4 channels of my Savage sound much, much better with these.  The thing I love most of all about this cab is that I can play at absolutely stupid volumes without feeling like it's too loud.  When I ran the Savage through my Mesa cab, my ears would ring after half an hour or so of just "loud bedroom" levels (not good).  But this cab seems much smoother & sweeter - it lacks that "hardness" in the high end of the Vintage 30s but has all the clarity & definition (& more).  I am very happy :D
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2008, 08:06:53 AM »
PS: Yes, my Mesa cab is still for sale.  It's a really nice cab, just not suited to the Savage.
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2008, 08:29:23 AM »
Great review Antag !

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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2008, 05:11:25 PM »
that sounds pretty good. :)

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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2008, 05:23:21 PM »
Sick man.  Do you know what the exact construction of the cab is?  Also, do you regularly gig or have a band or something?  You have so much awesome stuff that any gigger would be more than lucky to have.
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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2008, 09:38:40 PM »
Interesting stuff Antag, thanks for posting!  :D
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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2008, 01:33:48 PM »
Sick man.  Do you know what the exact construction of the cab is?  Also, do you regularly gig or have a band or something?  You have so much awesome stuff that any gigger would be more than lucky to have.
The front panel is some sort of plywood board, the sides & back are chipboard.

Speakers are front-loaded & wired Series/Parallel for 8ohm mono or 2x 16ohm stereo operation.

All the panels are quite thick & the whole cab certainly feels very sturdy. Engl say the cab weighs 50kg (it will be more now as the CL80s & K100s are heavier than the V60s), but much of the extra weight over other makes is the metal grille which weighs at least 5kg (& probably nearer 8-9).  Despite the weight I find I can carry it up & down stairs easily enough.

I haven't gigged for years, though I jam with a group of friends fairly regularly.  At the moment the band is more of an excuse for drinking sessions than a going concern :roll:  We keep saying we'll get our act together & gig/record but we've been saying that for years...

Yes, I have a lot of very nice gear - in my defence, I've been playing for >20 years, guitar has always been my main hobby & I have a good job.  But with 2 small children my gear buying days are pretty much at an end :(  (my music room is also full to capacity - I now operate on a "one out, one in" basis).  Not that I mind - I've pretty much found tonal heaven with my current setup & have more guitars than any one person could realistically need... :)
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)

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Re: Not-so-NCD: 3 months on
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2008, 01:34:35 PM »
Also, I just realised that I've got a pair of clips already posted to compare:
this with the old cab (listen to the ch4 bit from ~1:39 onwards)
& this with the new cab

Both were recorded with Holy Diver-equipped guitars & as far as I can remember I used the same amp settings...
BKPs: HD, MM, NB, PK, CS, Ab (b&n); Am (b only); VHII, Tril (n only); IT, Slow, Sult (m&n)