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really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« on: January 28, 2009, 11:00:08 AM »
my really stupid question is:
how can i use 2 amp heads at the same time switching them to double my tone possibilities (for example brutal rhythms on a 5150 and smoother lead sounds with another amp) like simply switching channels, using both of them on the same cab?
i saw someone doing something like that but i've got no realistic idea of how.
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2009, 11:02:15 AM »
You need some sort of dummy load for the heads.  I think Radial do something?

Edit:  Yep, The Radial Headbone V-T!

http://www.tonebone.com/tb-headbone-vt.htm
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2009, 11:05:17 AM »
one way would be to get a stereo 4x12 cab and use each side as a mono 2x12 cab for each head... i dont really like the idea of using dummy loads and things... more to go wrong.
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #3 on: January 28, 2009, 11:09:05 AM »
oh... i imagined exactly THIS thing but didn't know if it actually existed!

spitfire, are you saying that for the old soviet principle that claims "the less things you've got the less can break" or you know something about amp or cab damage using dummy loads?
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #4 on: January 28, 2009, 11:16:40 AM »
It'll be the former.  Dummy loads are fine, THD Hotplates seem to work OK  ;)

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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #5 on: January 28, 2009, 11:20:49 AM »
oh... i imagined exactly THIS thing but didn't know if it actually existed!

spitfire, are you saying that for the old soviet principle that claims "the less things you've got the less can break" or you know something about amp or cab damage using dummy loads?

im not really up on dummy loads.. but i know that attenuators can be a bit liable for malfunction..  Its just IF anything was to go wrong with it.. their is a lot to break.. output transformers... output tubes... can be a very expensive
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #6 on: January 28, 2009, 01:00:45 PM »
one way would be to get a stereo 4x12 cab and use each side as a mono 2x12 cab for each head... i dont really like the idea of using dummy loads and things... more to go wrong.

That's exactly what I did when I had a Hellcat and an MK. Best of both worlds... just get an A/B/Y splitter for the switching.

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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #7 on: January 28, 2009, 01:15:52 PM »
OK running a valve amp into the wrong load (usually too high a load) can certainly damage your amp.

Using an appropriately rated resistive dummy load is the safest way to run your amplifier (although obviously it won't produce any noise).

Using a purely resistive load, the current and voltage outputs from the amp are in phase so all the amp output power is dissipated in the load rather than shared between the load and the valves as with a reactive load (ie a speaker).

Reactive loads can also cause amps to become unstable (oscillate).

Most attenuators on the market present a mainly resistive load to the amp. One exception is the Marshall power brake, which does not limit the high frequency rise in impedance.

The main "problems" with attenuators are:

1) They allow you to run the amp flat out. If the amp is well built with good quality transformers then this should be no problem, however many modern cheaper amps don't have good quality transformers (transformers are expensive so this is one area where manufacturers are looking to save money), and this may well cause the amp to be damaged. You will experience the same potential problem with running an amp flat out into a speaker cab, so this isn't really an "attenuator" problem.

2) The attenuator must be matched to the load. Generally unless the attenuator contains a matching transformer you can only use an attenuator at one load impedance ie if you have an 8 ohm attenuator you must use it with an 8 ohm amp output. This is really a user problem.

I usually recommend the THD Hotplate as I find this works well at modest attenuation, and presents an appropriate load to the amp. In my opinion attenuators generally don't sound great at high levels of attenuation.





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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #8 on: January 28, 2009, 04:26:35 PM »
one way would be to get a stereo 4x12 cab and use each side as a mono 2x12 cab for each head... i dont really like the idea of using dummy loads and things... more to go wrong.

The mono/stereo switching system in marshall cab's is far less reliable than any attenuator... but if it's hard wired stereo, solid as a rock!
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #9 on: January 28, 2009, 06:30:32 PM »

I owned the Headbone VT. It works great but has one major downside: the internal load cannot cope with any sound, just quiet load. In reality this means, if you use delays or reverbs in the loop of one amp and switch amps, the unit can blow if you switch to the dry amp, while the room FX on the other are still decaying.

This is no problem if you have those FX in front of the amp, as the decay will be switched to the active amp.
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2009, 01:40:39 AM »

I owned the Headbone VT. It works great but has one major downside: the internal load cannot cope with any sound, just quiet load. In reality this means, if you use delays or reverbs in the loop of one amp and switch amps, the unit can blow if you switch to the dry amp, while the room FX on the other are still decaying.

This is no problem if you have those FX in front of the amp, as the decay will be switched to the active amp.

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Oh, and yeah, I've heard about this too.

Why not get a two 2x12's that are suited to each amp and just ABY? that's what i would rather do, that way they'll know to mic up both amps, instead of being confused by some stereo 4x12!
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Re: really stupid question about multiple ampheads
« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2009, 06:13:40 AM »
Hunter met Govan?! when was this!


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