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Doadman

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High Gain Pedal
« on: May 30, 2009, 06:41:33 PM »
This is a question I'm having some difficulty resolving so I'd appreciate your help.

The Problem

I play through a Marshall DSL401 and I like the drive channels on the amp because I simply like the core Marshall sound. I already use a Bad Monkey pedal to tighten up the distortion and I like that but I also want to be able to push the gain into far more modern areas of saturation. The simple answer would be to use something like a Metal Muff through the clean channel but I don't want to do that because the clean channel doesn't have its own volume control and I usually have the master volume maxed out. To prevent wild differences in volume I need to use the amps existing drive channels.

Solutions

1) Buy a high gain pedal like a Metal Muff and use it to further boost the amp's existing drive channels along with the Bad Monkey. This is what the companies like Digitech and Seymour Duncan keep suggesting (TL-2 and Twin Tube Mayhem) but wouldn't this produce so much gain that it would end up as mush?

2) Buy a distortion pedal that isn't as extreme as a Metal Muff, like a Hardwire Valve Distortion, and use that on the amp's drive channels with the Bad Monkey.

3) Buy a second Overdrive pedal so that I am cascading the gain levels. Isn't this, in effect, what high gain amps do?

I stress that I already use the amp's OD1 and OD2 channels with a Bad Monkey and I am now looking for a pedal to add to this to push the gain levels further, into Modern Metal territory. This pedal is NOT for use on the amp's clean channel unless there is absolutely no way of doing it the way I want to. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2009, 07:09:51 PM »
Thought about the Distortus Maximus?

I listened to YouTube clips and even got impressed by those and the quality isn't necessarily great on YouTube so the real deal must be immense! Plus Alan (hamfist) had one so you can get an opinion off him too. If I had a reason for pedals I'd have one.

But I would suggest a distortion pedal anyways.
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Doadman

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2009, 07:28:45 PM »
I think there are a lot of great distortion pedals out there like the Krank, Hardwire TL-2, Metal Muff, Blackstar DistX etc. but the question is, would they work properly when going through a drive channel that already has a reasonable amount of gain (6 on the amp and 6 on the Bad Monkey)?

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2009, 08:09:19 PM »
Doadman, you have accurately identified that boosting a driven amp and providing a distorted signal to a clean amp require very different pedals to get a nice, tight modern high gain sound.
  I have rather more experience in this area into a clean amp, where the Distortus Maximus is very good. Even better, though is the Digitech Hardwire Valve Distortion. Each distortion pedal itself can be treated like a "mini-amp" and can be boosted by an OD pedal (often a TS or variant) in front of it. This often works very well at getting awesome high gain tones.
   The problem with doing that is noise. The more gain stages you use, the more noise you will generate. So, unless you have noise suppression very well sorted, you will end up with intolerable levels of noise.
 Unfortunately the same can easily be true when boosting dirty amps with OD pedals, so if you are going to go that route, then a noise gate of some sort may well be necessary, if you don't have one already.

If you are looking for a booster pedal for a dirty amp, then consider an MI Audio Blue Boy Deluxe, which I found suited all sorts of different amps and circuits. The beauty of the BBD is that is doesn't have the traditional mid hump of a tube screamer (unless you set it like that !). Thoroughly recommended.

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2009, 08:42:00 PM »
That's actually very useful, thank you. It seems increasingly like I'm just not going to be able to boost the drive channels enough without it getting insanely complicated. I would guess that an easierv option might be to use the amp's drive channels up to the point where I want extreme gain and then switch to a high gain pedal into the clean channel. That does give me a major discrepency in volumes I'd have between drive and clean channels but I assume that I could control the volume through the clean channel by turning the output level on the pedal right down. Would that harm the quality of the effect at all?

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2009, 01:31:02 AM »
Dude I have to say I have also tried the Hardwire distortion and it does not have it. If you are looking to boost the amp and the Bad Monkey dosent quite do it. Than maybe  BB+ by xotic but Like I mentioned in the post if you want to keep it Marshall there is nothing Better than the Plextortion. Its beautiful. Also he has one called the Pinnacle. I liked the Plextortion better sounds like a wall of big distortion hitting you. Very Zakk Wylde- Slashy- Perry-Angus. It has it all.

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2009, 11:43:00 AM »
Woah.

A metal muff AND a bad monkey.

I would recommend getting rid of the bad monkey and trying some of those double gain pedals.

Things like the Visual sound jekyll and hyde or the  blackstar HT dual.

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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2009, 12:05:19 PM »
Wait... isn't the DSL401 already a three channel super-high gain affair anyways? After boosting it with the Bad Monkey you should really have all the gain you could wish for!

I would recommend trying to play with less gain!
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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2009, 06:24:45 PM »
dsl its dual super lead (2 channel ;) )
i found the dsl 100 pretty nice actually just not quite the sound i was after (more modern american sound peavey , mesa engl etc) which i guess is what ur getting at... id say blackstar ht?
or sell dsl401 and upgrade to jcm?? (obv im discounting cash issues here sorry)



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Re: High Gain Pedal
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2009, 06:52:37 PM »