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Dazza1004

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Legal Advice
« on: June 07, 2010, 01:00:23 PM »
Hi,

I was wondering if anyone had any experience with no win no fee cases for employee's vs employers.

My employer has been quite naughty and I think I have a good case but I can't afford to spends loads of money confirming that.

Any advice welcome.

Thanks

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2010, 01:12:13 PM »
The only advice I have is that you should not take action unless you wish to become an ex-employee.

Regardless of the legal rights & wrongs, if you sue your employer you are basically showing yourself the door.  No, they can't just march you out for taking legal action against them but in practical terms, your position there is untenable & sooner or later they will find an excuse.

Even if you win, your net gain (i.e. after losing your job) is probably going to be a lot less than you think.  Remember also that a solicitor is concerned with winning the immediate case & cares little for how/whether you work there afterwards.
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2010, 01:56:27 PM »
that is exactly the outcome I am looking for.

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2010, 05:50:05 PM »
If you're dead set on doing something, I advise having a word with the employment specialist at your local Citizens' Advice Bureau first. It costs nothing, and you're not making any committment to taking action against anybody - you're just talking to someone.
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2010, 08:03:53 PM »
I'd also suggest CAB first.  Be prepared for a rocky time but if you have a case then stick to it and good luck.
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2010, 08:09:38 PM »
3rd for CAB. Know where you stand, no harm no foul.

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2010, 08:30:17 PM »
Also for CAB.  Good bunch, overworked as hell, but a good bunch.

Can you show that you suffered a loss due to their actions?
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2010, 11:17:36 AM »
this is not legal advice, and i've never used them, but i would be VERY wary of no win no fee practices. anything that sounds too good to be true normally is.

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #8 on: June 08, 2010, 11:40:03 AM »
this is not legal advice, and i've never used them, but i would be VERY wary of no win no fee practices. anything that sounds too good to be true normally is.
+1

On the one hand, a solicitor is unlikely to offer NWNF unless they think they can win the case.

On the other hand, the best solicitors don't need things like NWNF to attract business & if the employer is a large organisation, you can bet they'll be getting the best advice they can afford...

There's also the question of what fee you'll be liable for if you do win - what the point of winning if you have to hand 50% over in fees?
« Last Edit: June 08, 2010, 11:41:34 AM by Antag »
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2010, 11:41:09 AM »
thanks for all the advice

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #10 on: June 08, 2010, 12:46:09 PM »
Are you interested in righting a wrong - or in milking money out of them in a "compensation culture" kind of way

If it's the former then speak to Acas

www.acas.org.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1461

If it's the latter, be careful of what bad karma you may stir up
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2010, 01:41:01 PM »
this is not legal advice, and i've never used them, but i would be VERY wary of no win no fee practices. anything that sounds too good to be true normally is.

this is not legal advice, and i've never used them, but i would be VERY wary of no win no fee practices. anything that sounds too good to be true normally is.
+1

On the one hand, a solicitor is unlikely to offer NWNF unless they think they can win the case.

On the other hand, the best solicitors don't need things like NWNF to attract business & if the employer is a large organisation, you can bet they'll be getting the best advice they can afford...

There's also the question of what fee you'll be liable for if you do win - what the point of winning if you have to hand 50% over in fees?

There seems to be a misapprehension as to what NWNF is (at least in England) in these quotes - NWNF was illegal in England until 1999 but the government in an attempt to cut government funding removed legal aid from most areas of civil dispute (i.e. between two private persons rather than between the state and a private person).  In order to do this but still allow people with good cases access to justice they allowed conditional fee agreements. 

In most English and Welsh civil litigation the legal costs are paid by the loser of the case - the NWNF agreement contains two elements: 1, an uplift on legal costs - so if the complainant wins, his lawyers can recover their costs plus a percentage for their risk (usually between 35%-100% depending on the risks taken) from the costs paid by the other side and 2, an insurance policy which pays out the costs if the complainant loses the case. 

So contrary to what Antag says a winning complainant does not pay over their compensation in fees to their lawyers as the fees (costs) are paid by the other side.  Its not a system where 'its too good to be true' because NWNF is a tweaking (a government tweaking, that is) of the principle that the loser pays the costs of an legal action.  Most solicitors will do NWNF actions if the case is suitable (i.e. a 65% chance of succeeding +) - its nothing to do with being at the discreditable end of the legal services market.  Most NWNF cases settle as the lawyers have more say (as they are taking the risk) as to when the case is suitable for agreement.   

I should add that in Employment Tribunals there is a principle that legal costs are borne by the party fighting the case and so employment law is one of the few areas where lawyer is allowed to take a cut of the winnings from the complainant.  Given that an employee has a statistical across the board chance of winning of 33% I can't think of many Employment lawyers who will do risky NWNF agreements.
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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2010, 09:27:13 PM »
fair enough :)

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #13 on: June 09, 2010, 11:42:19 PM »
Averaged uncapped awards are about £7000 and costs are rarely awarded
It can be quite hard for people to get taken on via a no win no fee basis as the usual no win no fee from a reputable legal firm is about 1/3 of the award.

If your are claiming for a breach of a statute that is uncapped such as discrimination on the grounds of religious belief, gender, disability, sexual orientation etc. it's uncapped. In that case the legal eagles will be more interested in helping out. If you are a bullied, lesbian, inuit with one leg you are in for a windfall  :wink:

Unless you are comfortable you can do it youself and win, it's rarely worth the pain.
Although panels tend to go easy on people that are self representing.

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Re: Legal Advice
« Reply #14 on: June 10, 2010, 06:54:21 AM »
Although panels tend to go easy on people that are self representing.

... before finding against them, that is  :D

If you have a union or trade organisation you might want to contact them - cost of membership (and you can often join last minute) often includes representation in an Employment Tribunal - as such its a better way forward than representing yourself or using the hopelessly overworked and underqualified CAB. 
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