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ericsabbath

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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2010, 02:13:30 AM »
Seems like everyone is pointing me more towards the vintage hots. Which of the vintage hots does metal the best? Seems to me it would have to be either the VHII or the Black Dog. When I say metal I mean Pantera or BLS type metal. I'm not playing a whole lot of drop C or A with my LP.

don't rule out the riff raff
my custom riff raff feels higher output than the miracle man (I made a straight comparison in similar shaped guitars: my prs and a cort kx1, both mahogany and set neck)
and I play a lot of Pantera and BLS
I was torn between the vhII, black dog and riff raff as well, and Tim recommended the Riff Raff with a thicker magnet for more output and low end punch
I was afraid that it could be too weak, thin and bright, but it's PUNCHY and quite balanced
I'm liking it better than all the hot wound BKPs I had
« Last Edit: August 03, 2010, 02:18:05 AM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2010, 11:35:30 PM »
my custom riff raff... Tim recommended the Riff Raff with a thicker magnet for more output and low end punch
I was afraid that it could be too weak, thin and bright, but it's PUNCHY and quite balanced
I'm liking it better than all the hot wound BKPs I had

Clips?

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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #32 on: August 04, 2010, 12:15:09 AM »
Custom Riff Raff, sounds good!I guess my problem is I really just need a place to start. Most of you have had several different BKP's to experiment with so you know which ones you like and which ones you don't, I'm @ a disadvantage" cause I ain't never played with one YET!"( said in my Louisiana accent) So I don't even know how to compare the qualities of the different BKP's to come up with one that is the right fit for me. I want my LP to be able to get those incendiary pick harmonics like John Sykes, Dime, Zakk and still retain clarity/articulation/fullness. The more I play my LP over the last few days the more I think it sounds thin in the upper register and maybe not so trebly like I first thought.

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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #33 on: August 04, 2010, 02:02:28 AM »
Lousiana!!!?? Here Mississippi!! Ha! are you going to the Voodoo fest? True you have to start somewhere! Just don't be afraid to try whatever is in your mind.. Ask Tim or these Gentlemen anytime...!!
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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #34 on: August 04, 2010, 02:37:00 AM »
Man I wish I was going to Voodoo Fest! I moved to Dallas ,TX. about 10 years ago from Baton Rouge and I can only get home on the holidays if I'm lucky. Luv Missisipi though, a really pretty state, HOME of the BLUES!

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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #35 on: August 04, 2010, 12:22:00 PM »
"Baton Rouge"!!! Cajun country !! Been there lots of times, love the city!! Cheers!!!
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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #36 on: August 05, 2010, 01:22:16 AM »
I want my LP to be able to get those incendiary pick harmonics like John Sykes, Dime, Zakk and still retain clarity/articulation/fullness. The more I play my LP over the last few days the more I think it sounds thin in the upper register and maybe not so trebly like I first thought.

believe me, I play all that stuff with this pickup and I've been playing all BKP high output models for years
this pickup really surprised me and was the first pickup to make my jaw drop straight out of the box
I still don't know what to expect from it in my les paul, but it sounds glorious in the prs mccarty
if you want a more compressed pickup without getting spikey, you better go with the holy diver or even an alnico warpig, instead of the ceramic models
do not rule out the nailbomb as well
bet it would sound great through the quickrod too
the custom raff reminds of the nailbomb voicing, but without all the compression, more organic, with a cleaner punch
a real beefed up PAF with a lot of bite
I wish I could record a video, but my camera is broken
you can ask Tim for more details
he said the pickup sounded wicked, so I guess he experimented with it
it's like a stock raff, but about 4% overwound
I think the magnet is about 30% thicker than the usual
never tried a stock riff raff, so I can't make a comparison, but Tim said the magnet would increase output and low end (I said I wanted it to be capable of driving my amp as hard as possible for a paf wound pickup)
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 01:52:30 AM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #37 on: August 05, 2010, 01:39:59 AM »
Custom Riff Raff!!! Ahhhh! Like this !!
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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #38 on: August 05, 2010, 02:59:52 AM »
^ ^ this sounds really bad ass... my tech always recommended the riff raff, but he really doesn't get what style i play. For humbuckers, i need more output than that.

Doesn't look like you could get clips anytime soon, but have you at least hooked it up to a multimeter to see what the output is? I'd be curious how it compares with like a black dog or something... in tone and output



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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #39 on: August 05, 2010, 04:22:17 AM »
^ ^ this sounds really bad ass... my tech always recommended the riff raff, but he really doesn't get what style i play. For humbuckers, i need more output than that.

Doesn't look like you could get clips anytime soon, but have you at least hooked it up to a multimeter to see what the output is? I'd be curious how it compares with like a black dog or something... in tone and output

dc resistance isn't an output measure
it's 8.47k, but it has a lot more output than you would expect from that
I have no experience with the other vintage models
I've always been a metal pickup guy and I seriously thought I wouldn't adapt to any under 14k pup
you should e-mail tim and he will explain the differences in details  :D
I remember he said, back when he was playing with Iced Earth, that both riff raff and black dog were John Schaffer's favorite BKP models
« Last Edit: August 05, 2010, 04:25:46 AM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #40 on: August 05, 2010, 01:09:07 PM »
Actually know that phenomenon well... my Phat Cat SD is 8.5k and puts out wayyyy more output than any SD humbuckers around that range, from my experience with them.  For this reason i was gonna trust changing out the Phat Cat for a Mississippi Queen (7.9k) in that same guitar, even though i'd like to hear more output than what i had to start (Pig90 also an option).

I was just seeing if those modifications translated into more output.

There's really only so much you can explain in terms of characteristics of a pickup.... at a certain point you gotta just hear it in action. *wink


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Re: Which BKP for a Gibson Les Paul standard?
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2010, 01:36:15 PM »
Saw a youtube vid of  some guy, coulssen I believe, with a nailbomb into a LP standard and it is really freaking awesome. The same type tone I am going for in the LP. Damn, decisions! After consulting with some of the guys on the Splawn forum I think I have been talked out of ceramics, seems A5 is the way to go!