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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2011, 12:21:15 PM »
guys, if you were to compare the Black Dog vs Holy Diver vs Crawler in 7 string format. Which one would you think would suit best to a bright sounding mahogany guitar with lots of presence going with a MB  mark 5 kind of amp?

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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2011, 07:31:27 PM »
well after quite a lot of time having spent on almost 3 pickups I decided to move on cause I'm still quite unhappy with my sound in general (jeez so much money in gear makes me sleepless knowing somethig's just not ok)

 taking a close look at what I had in my 7string in the last 3-4 months I can tell that the holydiver 7 was really an improvement but, as I wanted something tighter I tried a NB7 A5

I think that the biggest factor affecting my sound is the ebony plated pao fero neck with an ebony board whcih causes extended lows, but a scoop in healthy mids leaving me with wiry mids and an upper treble spike in most occasion (just cant get rid of the damn presence damn  i shouldn't have gone with so much ebony, its like pulling teeth :) )

Painkiller - overall it sounded OK with most amplifiers like 5150, rectos and marshalls (very tight and articulate string separation which I liked) except for my own - boogie mark 5 which is quite trebly and scratchy in this combination (if i set the amp with less trebles i loose juice, if i set these high the sound gets thin/piercing and shrill), the ceramic magnet even underlined the presence of my guitar which caused piercing saw-like tones.. I liked it's tightness and modern tight firm sound in the low deparment and the amount of mids though. It overpowered the amp input quite a lot and did not create good clean sounds (piercing,thin and crunchy)

Holydiver - almost a perfect match but the low B tended to flub out as the pickup caused the sound to have too much body/bass in the lowest registers (I'd say it was OK on the rest of the string positions but the low B was rounded and undetailed maybe due to the heavy mahog body i dunno) . I liked the fact that it gave my guitar a broader tone and body and it shifted the presence to lower levels which helped but somehow I thought the HD7 suits more to a lighter and more resonant guitar (such as bright PRS guitars with rosewood necks, alder bodied guitars etc.) My guitar weights almost the same as a good LP.  I liked that it sounded refined/polished and did not get spikey. but it was still quite hot on the clean channel

Nailbomb A5 - even more bass (bot not body) than with the  previously installed HD in my guitar, which was not expected
I have my bass pre EQ at 0 and still, I find it too bass-heavy/ murky (but not a broader and articulate sound), i have to lower the first two GEQ sliders too in order to get a definded sound I have the pickup set really low and if I bring it higher I get more articulation in the upper register but there is even more bass and that certain spike in the presence/trebles. I'd say I get similar wiry mids and shrilly spike as almost  with PK but with less detail on chords. I like the fact that is somehow sounds tighter than the HD. It may have sounded a bit too dark on bass strings I'd say. still quite hot on clean channel.. in general it feels like as if I was playing up loud but had to listen more to what i play cause it tends to sink in the band mix

so I wrote to BKP's support and Tim came back with a response I did not quite await:
'' I am going to recommend the Emerald 7 - AV powered, tight with bass response, broad but not spiky mids and sweet highs, plenty of output for rock and metal and will give you a very good range of clean and driven tones. ''

I kinda see his point but having read multiple posts here about the emerald, i'm prone to think it does not suit guitars that tend to get bright or in brights setups in general.. I am quite afraid to go with more 'trebles' you know.. The funny thing is that my guitar sound totally awesome when unplugged but when plugging in,  somehow sounds murky in the low deparment but bright and shrilly when moving up to higher positions

Anyone got any ideas if emerald is something you would go for in a 7string format?

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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2011, 09:36:39 PM »
sounds like you should have given the HD more time, I've never experienced it to be flubby but you could have tried 3 things to tighten it- overdrive/boost before your mesa, higher gauge B string and BBE sonic Maximiser in your setup. HD7 sounds the closest to your needs and as you say- 'near perfect'
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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #18 on: November 26, 2011, 09:03:48 AM »
yeah, I see what you mean.. the thing is that I already use a higher gauge B string.. mine is a 062 sometimes I use a 064.. but I can definitely tell that the mark series amps usually tend to work better with lower gauges, I dunno why but it's usually that 'body mass' that pushes these amps to get flubby.. as if those amps did not like guitars with massive/broad loads of signal  in this case getting lower gauge strings is the way to go, i know, weird but..

 I as well tried lowering and raising the pickup but it did not help to achieve what i aimed for.. what I find interesting is that the HD7 sounded best when lowered completely down (as did the NB7) in opposite of most opinions here that it works best when close below strings, but that's just a sidenote..

I used to have a TS808 as a boost with my good old 5150 but I bought the MK5 in order to not to have to use one.. see the MK5 is one of the tightest amps I've owned, to be honest and if I had to use a booster to tighten it up it would be a step back for me, cause I'd do a lot lot more stepdancing, which I already do heh..
I really use all 3 channels quite often and it would get things more complicated :) .. however, i sold my ts808 because I could not hear a difference when it was on and off when I used to have a PK7/MK5 combination, it might be due to the  upper mid character of both the pickup and the amp, but as i mentioned a boost is the last way to go
for me at this stage

I've heard Nolly's clip of Emerald7 but honestly?  - he's got such skills he could  make a beehive filled with dogshiteee look like a luxury mansion in Tuscany and sell it for 2M USD.. The question I should have asked would be - Should I really give the emerald try? If no, would you rather, in my case, go with e.g a crawler 7 in case I'd need to send it back for a swap or would you rather get back to one of those I've already tried?

oh and the BBE sonic maximizer - dont get me wrong,  I've had that in the rack form.. I consider it a snake oil for guitar players and i still think it suits to bass players and studio postproduction more than for guitar players where we work with middle frequencies.
 It's actually a sound exciter which works close to a 2 band EQ (lows and highs/presence) and what it did with my 5150 is that it caused a great tube amps to sound like a modelling piece-o-cr@p.. don't get me wrong, it really works amazing with 3-band speakers/studio monitors when applied at the final stage  where you need to fill in the 'empty spaces' but not in a live situation/rehearsal/guitar gear application.. since my 'renaissance' with it I've converted many BBE users to stop using those things and they're all so thankful now :D:D
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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #19 on: November 26, 2011, 09:15:03 AM »
I dont know about the MK5 but i know that the rectifier series NEED a boost for that tight palmmuted rhythm sound- i know it sounds stange considering they're so expensive, but i still believe Mesas arent primarily 100% metal amps. For my rectifier a boost is absolutely necessary (and no need to tapdance as i have it on all the time) because without it, it sounds flubby and loose to me. The boost i have (maxon OD808) also doesnt colour the amps tone but simply helps to focus and tighten it. However a Peavey imo doesnt really need a boost.

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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #20 on: November 26, 2011, 01:56:51 PM »
yeap, it's because of their lowmid character.. in order to get a tight response you aim for upper mids and that's why you need to boost a recto, not that  it wouldn't have enough gain on tap..a mk5 is already tight enough for must stuff.. usually if people use stomp ODs/drives they go for BB stomps and similar to achieve different overdriven sounds at the 'edge of breakup' etc..

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Re: alternatives to Painkiller
« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2011, 10:11:25 PM »
The Emerald's broad spectrum and tight bass might be the solution for your guitar, it's clear and bright, but not shrill sounding. The Rebell Yell is supposed to be the tighter alnico pup in the range (didn't try it) but may be too bright here.
Reading your story, i would've thought the HolyDiver was the solution...
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