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Ian Price

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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2012, 02:06:26 PM »
It's interesting what you say about only being able to get on with maple boards. Are we talking feel and/or sound here?

I'm finding, much to my surprise actually, that I probably prefer the feel of maple boards. But I much prefer the look of rosewood, and I believe I prefer the sound as well.

Definitely a feel thing for the maple neck rather than tone. I do slightly prefer the look of it although I did love the LPB Strat that I had - that had a rosewood board and sounded great, just something about the rosewood didn't feel quite right to me. I don't think it was just that particular guitar, the '75 tele I had also had a rosewood (veneer) board and although I liked the look of it the board didn't feel quite right.

The first guitar I really owned and loved with a maple board was the Esquire. This also happened to be the first Fender I owned with a 9.5 radius and bigger than vintage frets. Since then that is the set up I like although the Baja doesn't have 6105s (at least I don't think it has anyway). The LPB Strat I mentioned was also 9.5 with 6105s so it probably has more to do with the feel of the wood than the radius and fret size.

Strange.

Will see how I get on with maybe possibly reacquiring the '62. It may not happen but there is a chance.
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2012, 02:25:44 PM »
The first guitar I really owned and loved with a maple board was the Esquire. This also happened to be the first Fender I owned with a 9.5 radius and bigger than vintage frets. Since then that is the set up I like although the Baja doesn't have 6105s (at least I don't think it has anyway). The LPB Strat I mentioned was also 9.5 with 6105s so it probably has more to do with the feel of the wood than the radius and fret size.

The Baja has Fender's standard "medium jumbo" frets, which are a bit wider than 6105s (and maybe not quite as tall, though I'm not sure about that).
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2012, 04:17:55 PM »
Cheers Philly - was being a little lazy there!

I knew the frets were bigger than those I had on the '57 reissue strat but were not as high as the 6105s on the CS modeals I've owned.
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2012, 09:06:27 PM »
I really wouldn't say my ears were that good Philly! :lol:

On a blind-test of maple versus rosewood, if I was listening rather than playing, I reckon I'd probably get as many wrong as right. But if you let me set my amp up with one of my guitars, and then gave me a selection of maples/rosewoods to blind test myself, I think I'd get a majority right. I think it's a combination of what I put in with the fingers to get what I want out of the speakers. Just listening, not playing, I'm not convinced I could tell, there's too many other variables - the amp and what the player is trying to achieve, for starters.

The best comparison I have at the moment is my two Roadworn strats. Both 7.25 with (I believe) them medium jumbo things. Playing acoustically, the maple board one seems to encourage playing with more bounce and snap, and it benefits from a lighter touch from the picking hand -all sorts of interesting things come out when I hit it lighter (which don't with rosewood). The rosewood board one encourages a flatter, woodier type of playing, I imagine it as an "older" sound if that make sense. It also requires a little more work and imagination to get expression out of it - and it seems to benefit from hard playing rather than light.

I have heard it said, though, that we bring preconceptions to the maple/rosewood thing, and that's what we hear. I could easily buy into that idea... but then I'm left thinking "where on earth did these preconceptions come from then?" :lol:

One thing I have just noticed though (I'm noodling on the Baja and the Custom tele), I have to hold the pick slightly differently when switching from rosewood to maple. Never realised this before. I grew up on rosewood, and I tend to hold the pick close to the tip and dig in - there's a fair bit of forefinger in my digging in picking style for single notes and suchlike. This got learnt from hundreds of strat-playing gigs trying to sound like Rory Gallagher, I guess. I've just noticed, on picking up the Baja after 20 minutes on the Custom, that I automatically adjust to having more pick sticking out clear of the fingers, otherwise the notes squeal more than I'm after. So I checked it out on the Roadworn strats... seems to be true (for me, anyway), I get more squeal out of maple boards than I do rosewood...

And, I've just remembered, I have two Variax guitars, one with maple, one with rosewood, but both with the same software and models on board... Now, the host guitar's not meant to make a difference, but it does in my hands. The rosewood one sounded mellower than the same model on the maple one (which sounded harsher).


Anyway, this evening I've discovered that I would not like to have to decide between rosewood or maple - I want at least one of each :lol: Whether they sound different or not doesn't matter - they encourage me to play slightly differently. If I prefered one style to the other, I'd probably want to stick to that wood. But, as it is, I want both!
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2012, 09:16:22 PM »
 :D

I would like both but am not sure I could make both work for me (either financially or playing wise)! It's a bit like I've always wanted a LP that I have a connection with - I think it is the flatter radius and rosewood or ebony neck that I don't get on with. Perhaps if someone came up with something like, for instance, baked maple then maybe I could find one that worked for me (although I'd want a 9.5 radius).

If this didn't work out then I have to put it down to aesthetics as surely baked maple should feel and sound very similar to unbaked maple?

On the subject of playing style adjustment switching between guitars I can say that when I was in my band I used to play with pick and fingers on my maple boarded strat and a heavier pick on the rosewood board tele. I may have made some adjustment in the way I held the pick although wouldn't have been aware of this.

Interesting stuff (to me anyway, Janes eyes glaze over when I talk to her about my preference for maple over rosewood)
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2012, 06:10:32 PM »
I do think there's a difference between rosewood and maple boards but I think some of it comes from the different feel of each that encourages, me at least, to play a bit differently on one than the other. I'm obviuosly wandering off into psychoacoustics territory here as the sound, feel and way you play is a circular feedback loop but I do reckon there's something in it.

What I wasn't prepared for, until I did it, was how different two maple necks can sound on the same guitar. I put a Roadworn neck on a Highway One body and the difference in tone was astonishing to me. The Roadworn was much snappier and harsher, but was much more responsive than the smoother Highway One neck that preceded it. Some of that will be the difference in neck fit I guess but it was a big change.

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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2012, 06:30:37 PM »
What I wasn't prepared for, until I did it, was how different two maple necks can sound on the same guitar. I put a Roadworn neck on a Highway One body and the difference in tone was astonishing to me. The Roadworn was much snappier and harsher, but was much more responsive than the smoother Highway One neck that preceded it. Some of that will be the difference in neck fit I guess but it was a big change.

When I had the Road Worn Tele Deluxe (with a Strat-style maple neck) I always found it a very "dead" sounding guitar acoustically, with little resonance or sustain. 

I was never sure if it was down to the heavy-ish alder body or the neck; because the neck had very little finish, it always felt a bit "soft" and I imagined this translating into a dull tone.  I have no idea whether there's any truth in that, or if it's entirely in my head!  :roll:  :lol:
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2012, 07:59:56 PM »
I was never sure if it was down to the heavy-ish alder body or the neck; because the neck had very little finish, it always felt a bit "soft" and I imagined this translating into a dull tone.  I have no idea whether there's any truth in that, or if it's entirely in my head!  :roll:  :lol:

My initial thought was that surely it is in your head! Got me thinking though. My '75 tele had what I would consider quite a hard finish on the neck - the tone on that was pretty trebly and had lots of bite. The Baja has almost no finish on the back of the neck and whilst I love paying it the tone is a bit "duller" than I would like.
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Re: Baja/'62 Custom reissue tele question
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2012, 08:03:54 PM »
I'm a rosewood-addict. To me it feels and plays better then maple. Not saying maple sounds worse.
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