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Author Topic: Wienbrock Gaucho - Designers thoughts and some information, my story..  (Read 11207 times)

damnedyankee

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It was interesting to note above why EL34 valves aren't used at Weinbrock.

To dispel any mystery - the reason we use 6n3c-E valves (essentially a ruggedised military version of the Sovtek 5881WGC and not to be confused with the cheaper 6n3C type...) is because they were expected to last 5000 hrs by the former Soviet military and have proven to be the most reliable valve we have ever used... it's the same reason we use 6n6c's (denoted 6V6GT by our suppliers)... they can take extreme plate voltages and fair bit of knocking around... in fact I have a pair of 6n6c's made in 1956 by the =C= factory in my Gringo combo and they sound fabulous... 8)

JamesHealey

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I really like the 6n6c it even looks cool  8)

Dmoney

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Just out of interest...
When you use the 6n6c's do you use them with higher plate voltages? I know the JJ 6V6 is another valve that can handle a plate voltage higher than what would be considered 'usual' for a 6V6, but I don't think it sounds very 6V6ish.

If you use the 6n6c's at the higher voltage, do you label them as 6n6c's on the chassis, or in the manual or somewhere and suggest only those valves should be used, or do you mention somewhere they are 6V6 types or even list compatible valves?

With 6V6 based amps running higher plate voltages, I might be concerned that someone would just go out and throw in some more 'normal' 6V6's and have them fried straight away. Was that a consideration during the design phase? Do you worry about that? (if thats how those valves are run). I once ordered some JJ 6V6S' from hotrox but they sent me tungsol ones. Had I not checked the datasheet for the tungsol's they would most likely have been destroyed in my amp, along with anything else prone to damage during an output tube failure. I returned them and got the JJ's.

damnedyankee

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That is damned good point Dmoney... thanks for your input... we will - in future - point out that these require 6V6 types that can take higher plate voltages...

Dmoney

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That is damned good point Dmoney... thanks for your input... we will - in future - point out that these require 6V6 types that can take higher plate voltages...

Cooooool! glad to be of help.

TeeBee

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Learning more from the above discussion.

Well, I've gone and put in an order for the Gaucho 112 with Neil R - enjoyed selecting the options on the amp which I've never had the pleasure of doing before and look forward to getting to know it :D

JamesHealey

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Started building it already! Can't wait for your feedback, it's a great amp to make rather labour intensive compared to a gringo for instance earnmy wage building them ha! But i love making them.

That's one thing i love so much about the wienbrock gear is i know full heartedly that no corners are cut, no stone left unturned.
I've assembled for a few manufacturers now and it's horrid knowing your putting sub standard parts into an expensive amp or the circuit design could be better. I know we use the best components humanly possible and the layout and build quality is second to none. Mr wienbrock ceases to amaze me with his attention to detail and ability to think laterally in the layout design
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TeeBee

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Hi James,
Yes I look forward to providing feedback to you through Neil R once I get the amp and have time to explore and hoppefully it will be useful to you all.  Hopefully, the other feedback I may get won't annoy the neighbours and my hearing :)

I've been reading up on valve amp designs and related electronic theory and find it very interesting & fascinating. I still remember the old B & W televisions we used to have and the wait for it to warm up. The memory of the warm glow of the valves inside is very appealing to me :D

Seeing pictures on the 'Net of what's inside a 1966 Marshall 'Plexi' (J Hendrix's old amp 7206) re: components and wiring made me think as a layman how simple it all looks. 

I guess economics, fashion and people's requirements have impacted on amplifier designs in the years after as effects loops, reverb, other additions to amplifiers demanded by users etc. have perhaps ruined the purity of the original guitar amp design?  This has also been noted above I guess and is reflected in Wienbrock's design philosophy and approach, i.e not to get in the way of what an electric guitar can produce through quality design, componentry and manufacture?

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Seeing pictures on the 'Net of what's inside a 1966 Marshall 'Plexi' (J Hendrix's old amp 7206) re: components and wiring made me think as a layman how simple it all looks. 

I guess economics, fashion and people's requirements have impacted on amplifier designs in the years after as effects loops, reverb, other additions to amplifiers demanded by users etc. have perhaps ruined the purity of the original guitar amp design?  This has also been noted above I guess and is reflected in Wienbrock's design philosophy and approach, i.e not to get in the way of what an electric guitar can produce through quality design, componentry and manufacture?

The classic amps of yesteryear (which were used to define rock music) are indeed relatively simple; however this does not mean it is easy to understand exactly how they work, as very subtle changes can have dramatic effects on the outcome. Clearly the less components in an amp, the more critical each one can be.

Attention to detail is paramount in getting good results with this style of amp. To back up what James has said, I've only had my hands on one Wienbrock amp, but I was very impressed with the build quality, attention to detail and tone.

Smaller builder can have more selective appeal, but a big manufacturer's products have to have wider appeal as they have shift more units simply to stay in business, and so have to include features like fx loops etc as that's what people want.

Having said this, I'm still surprised how many poor sounding amps (at least top my ears) there are on the market.