warpig and cold sweat

[joostgvk]

So from reading a post that was listed as 120 days ago i thought id make a new topic cause i want to know a bit more about this combo.

Seems like this combo is the way to go for metal.
my question.

would you put the warpig in bridge or would coldsweat be better?

I know ppl say its all about preference but i want to know how you guys have it set up and your reasons for it?

[Slartibartfarst42]

Well, if you want to use a Warpig and Cold Sweat as a set, I doubt there's many people using a Cold Sweat bridge with a Warpig neck. For me, it would have to be the other way around but I'm far from convinced that you could call this 'the way to go for Metal' because there are a hell of a lot of other things to consider. What guitar are you talking about? What amp are you using? Is there a specific type of Metal you're after? Are there any specific sounds you're trying to get from your rig?

[Dave Sloven]

I think this combination will work, in fact I may even try it the next time I have the strings off of both of my guitars at once (i.e., put my A-bomb in my Explorer and my A-Pig in my SG, thus putting the A-Pig in combination with a Cold Sweat neck) as the CS neck is quite loud, louder than my A-Bomb (at least at the pickup height where the A-Bomb sounds good).  If I prefer it I may get another A-Pig for the SG, or maybe a Miracle Man, as it seems that the CS might go well with a neck pickup that on paper is a lot hotter than it.

I would have to try this out before I fit the Triple Shots to the Explorer (which I am mainly doing for the neck pickup anyway, which I find too hot for cleans through my amp in its stock humbucking operation.

[joostgvk]

Atm i got a Peavy vypyr 75 ( high gain sound i really like, but the control knobs and the cristmas lights when u turn it on are horrid!)  with a LTD EC-401.
But im already browsing around for other gear once im experienced enough.

I love music from rock to modern heavy metal music.

So far i came up with the following set up:

ENGL powerball 2 amp with ENGL E112VB PRO Straight 1x12.
ESP Eclipse II vintage black.

once i was researching about what pickups are out there i came across Bareknuckle pickups and from what ive seen and heard i really like the sound they can produce!

[Dave Sloven]

When you've got that ESP chuck in some Rebel Yells and buy yourself some leather trousers :D

[joostgvk]

uuhm, Leather pants ? no thanks im good with my jeans.

Dont really get how bily idol got stuck in ur mind, maybe u got the hots for the dude :P

And There is nothing wrong about ESP's

[Slartibartfarst42]

Atm i got a Peavy vypyr 75 ( high gain sound i really like, but the control knobs and the cristmas lights when u turn it on are horrid!)  with a LTD EC-401.
But im already browsing around for other gear once im experienced enough.

I love music from rock to modern heavy metal music.

So far i came up with the following set up:

ENGL powerball 2 amp with ENGL E112VB PRO Straight 1x12.
ESP Eclipse II vintage black.

If you're looking for a wide range of Rock/Metal sounds, I think there may be better options than a Warpig in the bridge. I've asked about it lots of times but I'm always told that versatillity isn't its strong point. For the kind of versatillity you're talking about, I think the Holydiver, Miracle Man and A-Bomb would all be better options. The Eclipse has a lot of mahogany in it too, so you may prefer a pickup that isn't quite as bass heavy as the Warpig. The final point to consider is that if you get an Engl, they're often very bassy amps so again, a pickup with a strong bottom end may not work as well as other options in the range. It's not like you need a high gain pickup with an amp like that.

[joostgvk]

Thanks for pointing my nose to the right direction Slartibartfarst42 that really was a great help to me, so i gues was looking at the wrong place  :) il look into Holydiver, Miracle Man and A-Bomb

what you mean by A-bomb though,  im sure its the nailbomb but which one of the 2 ?   

you mean the one  described with these details?

Neck DC:
Magnet:9.8KΩ *Alnico V

[Dave Sloven]

Yeah, I can't do the leather trousers (did I hear someone say 'swamp balls'?) but the Rebel Yell set might do the trick in that guitar if you want something that can do both rock and metal.

As an owner of a Warpig set I can say that it does really heavy stuff really well.  It does a good job of various things in D standard and C# standard, and when I had it in E standard it was good too.  It is articulate but it is also dirty and brutal.  It can do 'Children of the Grave' (Black Sabbath) pretty well, as long as you kick in the clean channel for the arpeggiated chords (the clean is not so clean when you combine a Warpig with a Peavey 6534+, but it doesn't need to be totally clean for that song), and if you can find a way to boost the treble and rein in the bass (e.g., using a TS9 tube screamer or clone) you can get a nice 'Countess Bathory' (Venom) out of it.  I'm pretty sure most Sabbath and Venom songs in the low C# tuning would sound good with it.  Otherwise the stuff I tend to use that guitar for is old school death metal, crust punk, and grindcore, which again tend to use lower tunings.  I don't find it to be the best pickup for thrash - I suspect the Miracle Man might be better at that, and my A-Bomb is good at that with the guitar knobs, amp and pedals set right.

I would probably suggest the A-Bomb, C-Bomb, RYs, Cold Sweats, or Holy Divers if you want something that can straddle hard rock and metal.  Also don't discount the vintage and vintage hot ranges, a lot of people have used certain pickups from those ranges for metal.

[fhn_lopes]

RY only if the axe is mahog/maple or all mahog. Otherwise it may sound too bright.

Divers work fine in strats and LPs, being a bit darker in LPs of course, but still with good highs... the highs are sweter than the RY though.

Warpigs are darker and meaner, lots of sustain and output. I dunno if they are that versatile though when comes to rock.

If you don't need too much output from the pu, maybe a VHII could be a nice one too, as they work well both in low and std tunnings... With a high gain amp and a booster it gets really mean and tight.

[Kiichi]

With the RY being somewhat of a underwound, brighter Abomb this could very well do the trick here.
If the axe is heavy on the mahagony and not exeptionally bright in sound this should work nicely with the Engl and your styles.

The RY really is made for LPs and the likes and can deliver a incredible range of sounds ranging from blues to modern metal. It always keeps a nice rock voice due to the upper mid spike and its character is modern with a nice vintage throwback in there. Old school wire with modern magnets do that for you.
Also it is pretty darn tight.
Enough low end to punch but it does not push or boom, which I find very great.

just all in all my fav bridge PU so far.

[Slartibartfarst42]

Thanks for pointing my nose to the right direction Slartibartfarst42 that really was a great help to me, so i gues was looking at the wrong place  :) il look into Holydiver, Miracle Man and A-Bomb

what you mean by A-bomb though,  im sure its the nailbomb but which one of the 2 ?   

The A-Bomb is basically the alnico V version of the Nailbomb as opposed to the ceramic version (C-Bomb)

Which one is best will depend on the particular flavour of Rock/Metal you're after. The Holydiver is very smooth and quite thick but has plenty tightness. It's perfect for 80's Metal but kick in an overdrive and it will go a long way beyond that. The Miracle Man is smooth and thick like the Holydiver but tighter and more scooped - big bottom end and screaming highs. There's a broad overlap with the Holydiver in terms of styles but you could broadly say that the Miracle Man takes over as the Holydiver leaves off. The A-Bomb is tighter again and far more aggressive sounding in a very 90's Metal kind of way. Think of the Holydiver as 1980-1989, the Miracle Man as 1987-1995 and the A-Bomb as 1994-1999. That's very vague but you get the general idea. While the Holydiver and Miracle Man share some common characteristics, the A-Bomb does not as it doesn't really have that smooth distortion; it's more edgy and aggressive. This isn't entirely surprising as the wire used in the A-Bomb is PE while the Holydiver and Miracle Man use polysol.

[fhn_lopes]

The holydiver excels in marshall amps with les pauls... damn, what a heavy rock/metal tone.. I was playing my mate's lp studio with a HD in the bridge in his voodoo mod JTM45 (cascaded)... /without a boost, it sounded like I think it should, 80's metal tones. But when we engaged an EP booster in the front, dude, the thing came to the evil side.
Early Jerry cantrell tones pulled out with ease (think of "them bones", agressive and punchy), and the more the boost, more into the modern metal realm it went, allways being tight and focused, with no harsh highs at all.... SICK tone.