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Dave Sloven

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Pickup height recommendations (Cold Sweat & A-bomb)
« on: June 25, 2013, 01:05:38 PM »
I have installed a Cold Sweat in the neck and a A5 Nailbomb in the bridge of my 2011 Gibson SG Standard, complete with the chrome covers and long legs.  In terms of functionality everything seems to be fine, but I am not pleased with the sound at present.  I suspect it is a matter of adjusting pickup and pole-piece heights, so I am wondering if anyone here has recommendations on the distance between the pickup and the string on each of these pickups (obviously height relative to the pickguard is relative to this guitar, resulting from its neck angle etc)? I have raised the pole pieces a half turn on the Cold Sweat and I think I did the same or maybe a bit less on the Nailbomb, and that has improved things somewhat in combination with lowering the pickups, but the Cold Sweat now sounds a bit odd and I'm sure the Nailbomb could be improved quite a lot.

Here are some before and after photos showing (hopefully!) the pickup height as it was with the original 490R/498T combo and now with the CS/A5NB combo.

Pots have been changed to CTS 500K and caps have been replaced with WD Music paper-oil in a vintage style harness (originally has the 2011 PCB)

Before:








After:





Hopefully these are clear.  Hard  to tell before and after apart as I deliberately chose pickup covers that are as close to stock as possible.

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Re: Pickup height recommendations (Cold Sweat & A-bomb)
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2013, 09:52:57 PM »
To give us a better idea of the actual height if you can, fret the string on the highest position and measure the distance between string and pole piece in mm. That should give us a better idea.

A good way to methodically go about finding the optimal height is this: Set the PUs really high, maybe up to 1mm at the bridge. There youŽll probably get wolf tones, unwanted overtones and it will not sound too good I recon.
Then, lower the PUs step by step. Half a turn at a time is a good measure if you have done this before, for a beginner maybe a full turn at a time, as differences will be more obvious.
After each step, take a bit of time to play, at least 10min IŽd say so you really get a feel for how the PU sounds now. That also gives you time to adjust your gear accordingly to get the most out of that position (as you go lower you will probably increase gain, volume and especially the OD or booster you might be using).
Take actual note (as in writing sh*t down) of what changes each step. Also note which distance in mm you are describing.
Continue this until you are really far away. Go to rather extreme distances too, like 6 or 7mm, just for the sake of hearing what that does.
After that is done go back to distances you really liked and revisite them, thinning out the field.
At this point you also should try pole piece heights. For this I would take the biggest distance you noted as liking and start raising the pole pieces in the same manner you previously lowered the entire PU. I go up to having 1mm from the PU to the line on the pole piece where the "dome" starts.

Combining the findings you now have about PU and pole piece height you should be able to figure out your perfect height.
Yes it is tedious work, but it is worth it and will teach you a lot about how PUs work and how height affects the sound (which is somewhat different for each PU).



Finally a short idea on the effects of height I recently put in another thread. It if course is not very specific and the actual changes are much more detailed, as you will surely notice. For example overtones change a ton and those are very important, but very PU specific and hard to describe.

"I find that lowering the PUs takes out some output, makes them less hot and compressed and therefore adds back some openness and a bit woodieness too. Can bring out hights too. Generally cleans things up a bit I feel.

Raising the pole pieces while lowering the PU brings out brightness and makes the sound tighter and more focused imho.

I like my PUs set low with pole pieces raised, just the way it works for me."




Hope this helps a bit.
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Re: Pickup height recommendations (Cold Sweat & A-bomb)
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2013, 02:18:26 AM »
Thanks!  I think I worked this out with the Nailbomb.  It might need a little pole piece adjustment on individual strings but generally the up and down method worked.

I had moved the pole pieces up a little on the Cold Sweat and then tried moving the pickup up and down but haven't found something I like yet.  Actually the best it sounded was when I put it in so I think I will put the pole pieces right down to stock again and then try the up and down adjustment of the pickup again.

I played the guitar to a friend last night and he agreed that the bridge was sounding sweet but the neck was off.  I told him that these pickups are very sensitive to adjustment and I will dial that mud out, it will hopefully just take a bit more tinkering, unless the problem comes from having cooked something (a cap?) with the soldering iron.  But I doubt that.  The only thing that could be cooked would be the neck volume, which seems to be working fine and has no strange feel to it at all.

I can report that the alnico Nailbomb sounds good in my SG, which was my main worry as people seemed unsure about it based on generalizations about wood etc.  My SG is a Gibson Standard, full mahogany body and neck.  Maybe it sounds rubbish on some Epiphones with various laminates but it seems good in mine.  I know that the Cold Sweat works in an SG so I am confident I will get it right
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COBRA-T
WAR PIGS
STOCKHOLM
COLD SWEATS
MIRACLE MAN
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