2nd BKP Equipped Guitar. Need help choosing them. Long post though.

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Hello Guys
How are you all?
Its been a long time without any posts. Q: )
Im counting almost 8 guitars now and im getting the 7th in a few weeks. A Dean Vendetta 4.0 its a mahogany body, maple neck thru with top and back made of maple also.  24 frets, and 25,5 scale length. strings thru body. no floyd this time.

Im not sure if ill put the new BKP set in this guitar, as im going through Changes in all my guitars. From tuning, to visual changes and technical changes like string gauges, picks, etc.

I recently bought a Fender EVH 5150 III 50 watts head. and a custom 2x12 cabinet with 2x 12 WGS Liberator pickups.
all of this AMp thing are about to arrive. i already have the HEAD here, but the cabinet isnt here yet. so a couple of weeks more.

I was checking the new BKP  models and all discussion about them here on the forum, but i couldnt find the appropriate soundclips or videos of them . i mean, i couldnt find any clip  that i liked. Its either bad caption, wrong style played, scooped middle,s too much distortion, too much Djent, or innapropriate recording.  SO, i may ask you for some clips, as well as some links of youtube videos and etc.

I currently Own two 7 string Ibanez RG7420 made in japan. each one has 2 dimarzios. Blaze custom 7 - Liquifire 7, Evo 7 - Air NOrton 7.  ill tune Both to D standard, so the 7th string goes to A.

1 Charvel FUsion Deluxe(japan) that will be tuned to E standard. and im not going to put BKs on It. it will receive EMG 81- SLV or SA.
1 Jackson DXMG (japan) with EMG 81- 60A. but its too bright in this guitar. SO, maybe the New Bkp set will go on this guitar.
1 Fender American Standard with 2 BkP Nailbombs. That will go to another guitar. 
1 Ibanez RG550 japan -  Currently Pickupless.  but ill put a set of duncans on it. DUncan custom - JBJR - Pearly Gates.
And the next guitar thats the Dean Vendetta 4,0.

SO, first i need to choose in which guitar will i put the BKPs.
My main goal is to get another guitar, a les paul type with set neck(glued) do finish my guitar setup . and to have 2 sets of each pickup manufacturer in all my guitars : ex 2 with emgs, 2 with bare knuckles, 2 with seymoru duncans, etc.
SO i already have 2 with emgs, 2 with dimarzios, and there are 2 sets lefts. 1 with bare knuckles and 1 with seymour duncans.

Now is when the topic really starts. ahahah that was just an intro so to say, in order to give you a picture of my actual guitar setup situation and whats on my mind.

I have some specs that i would like these new bkp sets to feature... and ill tell then in a few minutes. But first ill tell you which pickups i have spotted as "candidates" and then ill put the specs, so you guys could say if they HAVE It, or not. How strong are these specs, or not . And Even if theres no pickups with these specs at all.

ONe last thing: UNfortunately, the majority of my guitars are EIther Basswood or alder body . i dont like neither one of them. i prefer Mahogany all the way up for the body. pau ferro or rosewood for the neck fretboard(i didnt have any experience with ebony fretboards so far.), and either mahogany or maple for the neck.  FLoyd rose, almost ALWAYS. ahahaha and Low tunings. 98% of the time.
 SO, dont forget to mention in your comments if any of the pickup candidates will sound better in a Particular wood, lets say, Mahogany, alder or basswood, or not. thats also very important. as i saw that the HOly diver seems to match basswood bodies better than others. and if im not mistaken, The AFtermath matches the mahogany bodies better .

THe pickups that i selected for the bridge position as possible candidates  are : Blackhawk, HOly Diver, AFtermath, Painkiller and JUggernaut(this one always gets me thinking if i would be able to play my Black/death with hints of tech death metal style. because i always think it wont suit too extreme styles that requires speed picking(black and death metal. Think Marduk - Of hells fire or cannibal Corpse - the Bleeding) and will only fit mishas style, and thats obviously not the same as i play. ).

FOr the neck position : Cold Sweat(but im affraid of the Scooped, reduced MIddles is there a way of raise or increase the Mids ? like , perhaps changing the magnet in the neck?  ), Painkiller, Blackhawk,  Juggernaut.

Now the SPecs : Bridge - Tags -  Organic, Airy, meaty, deep, tight, crushing, hot and spicy. 
Tight ,ressonant, Bass, compact, deep focused mid bass, Crushing, focused spiky mids, HOt, spicy high mids, and hot, warm singing highs. 
eq wise speaking i would say 6, 7, 7 or 6, 7, 8.  Bass, mids, highs.

for the neck - Tags - Organic, vocal, fluid, sustain,  articulate, singing, warm, Smooth.
Smooth ,deep and slightly tight bass. Rich, detailed and present MIds (no scooped no reduced mids). Singing, smooth, vocal and sustain like HIghs and high MIds.
eq wise speaking, i would say  5, 6, 7. or 5, 6, 8.

Is there any Bkp Pickup that matches these criteria? or do i need to go custom shop if this option is available AT ALL?
did i describe any of the pickups  i mentioned in the beginning of the text here in the criteria/specs part of my text??

The pickup needs to be Organic, airy , and crunchy, tight (but not too much. as tight as the Nailbomb alnico bass are more than enough. ) meaty and work well with HIGH gain and extreme metal style.   thats for the bridge.

For the neck its a bit different, except for the fact that it will have to work well for extreme metal. 
for the neck position, it need to be smooth, velvet, balanced eq spectrum, creamy and feature lots of sustain and articulation for solos with lots of distortion. vocal and fluid like tone.

Thats it. I Wrote a lot cause i got inspired to do so. ANd i apologize for the long text. i know you guys preffer it in a compact way. sorry.

Thanks in advance and ill be waiting for your reply.
JP

heres a bit of guitar porn to illustrate the thread.
Ibanez RG7420 Black Pearl


Ibanez RG7420 Magenta crush + Charvel Fusion Deluxe + Jackson Dxmg


Fender American Standard


Ibanez RG550 lazer blue


Fender EVH 5150 50w Head



AH...And the NEXT guitar : Dean Vendetta 4.O
 

[Dave Sloven]

The Cold Sweat neck is fairly dark but not especially scooped.  Maybe you are listening to a clip of the bridge pickup, or going by the BKP EQ chart (which is only for the bridge)?

Out of the pickups you mention, I'm thinking you might like the Painkiller set most.

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The Cold Sweat neck is fairly dark but not especially scooped.  Maybe you are listening to a clip of the bridge pickup, or going by the BKP EQ chart (which is only for the bridge)?

Out of the pickups you mention, I'm thinking you might like the Painkiller set most.

Yeah, maybe. i didnt see the chart for the Cold Sweat Neck. Its either the same EQ, or they forgot to put it. either way, a neck soundclip would be nice. Q: P
Thanks for your input man. Are you a Metal Fan?! your nickname reminds me of SOdom - AGent Orange song.

[Dave Sloven]

The Cold Sweat neck is fairly dark but not especially scooped.  Maybe you are listening to a clip of the bridge pickup, or going by the BKP EQ chart (which is only for the bridge)?

Out of the pickups you mention, I'm thinking you might like the Painkiller set most.

Yeah, maybe. i didnt see the chart for the Cold Sweat Neck. Its either the same EQ, or they forgot to put it. either way, a neck soundclip would be nice. Q: P
Thanks for your input man. Are you a Metal Fan?! your nickname reminds me of SOdom - AGent Orange song.

There is a section on each clip where you can hear the neck pickup by itself, but much of it is bridge.  Listen for the warmer, more rounded sounds.

The EQ charts are only for the bridge.  I guess that's because guitars are more picky regarding what you put in the bridge slot.

My user name is indeed after the Sodom song. When I first joined my avatar was the album cover.

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Hahahah EXCELLENT MAN.
If you are a sodom fan, then you might like this small clip i did YEARS ago. ahahaha my first clip ever.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-oaPrp-hC0
Yeah, i ALREADY checked each pickups clips. but the recording is too digital for my tastes. i cant hear the sweet spot where i identify if the pickup is FOr me or not. thats why i did the thread.
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Some more input?

[JCN1218]

+1 for the Painkillers! I have the bridge model in my Les Paul traditional and it tightens it up very nicely, I think it would suit your playing very well. I also think you'd like the Cold Sweat neck. I have on in my BC Rich JRV-7 and it sounds amazing. As for which guitar to put them in, that's up to you, but I would say put them in a guitar that has some mahogany.

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Thanks Man
but did you guys mean a calibrated painkiller set ? or just the bridge or neck?
THe bad thing about my guitars is : almost all of them are either BASSWOOD or ALder. i would preffer if they were made of poplar instead of alder or basswood. i liked it better . but i just had 1 short experience with it. so i need more experience to fix this knowledge .

i just have 1 guitar(and its not even bought yet) that is made of magohany. its a neck thru dean vendetta 4.0. with maple back and cap.  Beautiful guitar. I plan on ending my guitar collection with a les paul type guitar. but it will delay. i already know what im going to get, its either a Dean Cadillac OR a Fernandes Ravelle. Or something else if someone convinced me so. It needs to have mahogany body, of course, and IF POSSIBLE, ebony fretboard. i Never had any guitar with ebony . nor did i ever played one.

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ill ask forum members for clips with the COLD SWEAT 6 neck. doing specifically solos(with sweep picking included and two hands techniques) with high gain. this way ill have a better picture of the pickups abillity and if theres any doubt regarding the LACK of mids, ill ask them.

Thanks guys.
PS - what about the Blackhawks? can anyone describe their tone in a Alder or basswood guitar? bridge AND Neck.
i saw a video, from a member here. hes slightly chubby, very skilled and uses glasses and plays modern metal with some djent to it. he uses a les paul type chapmann guitar. and i think he has solo albums. i liked his tone, but it was recorded through digital ways, and with backing tracks and so on. this way it gets hard for me to listen to the pickup alone and spot what sound i want from it and which ones i dont want.

[MerlinTKD]

I don't have answers, but I can supply info from my limited experience   :lol:

I have a basswood 7 with Painkillers (basswood body, bolt-on maple neck, rosewood fretboard, 25.5" scale) and while it's a fantastic pickup, it's also not the most versatile (in that guitar). The PK has a significant hi-mid bump (some say spike ;)) that accentuates the tonalities of basswood. In my guitar, with the settings I use, the sound is tight, controlled, a little compressed, bright, edgy, biting, and can get twangy like a tele with mid-gain or clean sounds.

For example, I use the Fender Mustang amps and software, specifically their Metal2000 (their EVH 5150 model), with the following settings: Gain=3, Vol=8, Treble=5, Mids=3, Bass=3, Presence=2. That gives me a tone pretty damn close to MDB, Tesseract, etc. I can get more punch and control adding an OD with Level=5, Gain=2, T/M/B=5.

I personally go back and forth about replacing my PK's with something more versatile; they're not one trick ponies in basswood, but maybe only 2! ;) However, Nick @ The Axe Palace swears by them in mahogany, and the clips in the sound samples are (IIRC) in a Les Paul - I came close to spending $$ I didn't really have on a mahogany 7 just to put my PK's in - so I bet they would absolutely KILL in that Vendetta.

As for the other guitars... alder is more forgiving (IMO) than basswood, a good balanced spectrum, so I don't think you can go very wrong there... for basswood, Tim et al all recommend the Miracle Man as the goto. My personally, I've never liked the balance of that pickup, but I've never used it in person, and rarely found clips of it basswood, so take me with a grain of salt, there. Based on the sounds I've heard, and what I know about my own basswood guitar, for a modern metal sound I'd say go MM/MM, MM/CS, or CS/CS.

OH - duh, or the new Juggernauts! Designed to sound good in basswood, for Misha of Periphery, so they should be right up your alley. He's got a video demo'ing them on YouTube, plus he used them on their new record 'Clear'.

For alder... I've got an alder bodied, mahogany necked, ebony fretboarded (is that a word? :lol:) V with Gibson Dirty Fingers, which *I believe* was the inspiration for the Cold Sweat (well, the guitar sound on the song by John Sykes was the starting point, and he was using Dirty Fingers at the time), and that guitar is HEEAAVY. Tonally, I mean. Doesn't take much to get a thrashy/deathy scooped sound, and tweak the EQ and it djents just fine! I've had other people use it and record anything from clean pop ballads to punk. It's the most versatile high output pickup I've had the pleasure to play - but the clips I've heard of the CS make the DF's sound limited. So there's that. ;)

Just my $.02, hope it helps!

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I don't have answers, but I can supply info from my limited experience   :lol:

I have a basswood 7 with Painkillers (basswood body, bolt-on maple neck, rosewood fretboard, 25.5" scale) and while it's a fantastic pickup, it's also not the most versatile (in that guitar). The PK has a significant hi-mid bump (some say spike ;)) that accentuates the tonalities of basswood. In my guitar, with the settings I use, the sound is tight, controlled, a little compressed, bright, edgy, biting, and can get twangy like a tele with mid-gain or clean sounds.

For example, I use the Fender Mustang amps and software, specifically their Metal2000 (their EVH 5150 model), with the following settings: Gain=3, Vol=8, Treble=5, Mids=3, Bass=3, Presence=2. That gives me a tone pretty damn close to MDB, Tesseract, etc. I can get more punch and control adding an OD with Level=5, Gain=2, T/M/B=5.

I personally go back and forth about replacing my PK's with something more versatile; they're not one trick ponies in basswood, but maybe only 2! ;) However, Nick @ The Axe Palace swears by them in mahogany, and the clips in the sound samples are (IIRC) in a Les Paul - I came close to spending $$ I didn't really have on a mahogany 7 just to put my PK's in - so I bet they would absolutely KILL in that Vendetta.

As for the other guitars... alder is more forgiving (IMO) than basswood, a good balanced spectrum, so I don't think you can go very wrong there... for basswood, Tim et al all recommend the Miracle Man as the goto. My personally, I've never liked the balance of that pickup, but I've never used it in person, and rarely found clips of it basswood, so take me with a grain of salt, there. Based on the sounds I've heard, and what I know about my own basswood guitar, for a modern metal sound I'd say go MM/MM, MM/CS, or CS/CS.

OH - duh, or the new Juggernauts! Designed to sound good in basswood, for Misha of Periphery, so they should be right up your alley. He's got a video demo'ing them on YouTube, plus he used them on their new record 'Clear'.

For alder... I've got an alder bodied, mahogany necked, ebony fretboarded (is that a word? :lol:) V with Gibson Dirty Fingers, which *I believe* was the inspiration for the Cold Sweat (well, the guitar sound on the song by John Sykes was the starting point, and he was using Dirty Fingers at the time), and that guitar is HEEAAVY. Tonally, I mean. Doesn't take much to get a thrashy/deathy scooped sound, and tweak the EQ and it djents just fine! I've had other people use it and record anything from clean pop ballads to punk. It's the most versatile high output pickup I've had the pleasure to play - but the clips I've heard of the CS make the DF's sound limited. So there's that. ;)

Just my $.02, hope it helps!

Hey man, thank you for the 2 cents. it indeed helped clarifying some doubts.
i had the warpig, painkiller, miracle man and nailbomb. all in the bridge of 4 of my OLD guitars. 
i remember trying the PK in a schecter avenger with mahogany body, but 22 frets. it got pretty muddy. Q: /
but i liked the pickup a lot, i just thought that the bass and mids were too resonant to the point of getting muddy.
if im not mistaken, i was using the 5150 with marshall 1960 cabinet.
i tried it in my fender , also 22 frets, with alder body ( i believe) it felt a bit better, it could breath a bit more, but i was still not satisfied. 
WIth the MIracle man, it was hate above anything. so i wont comment it. but my main issue with it was the scooped or lack of mids. thats something i cant stand in a pickup.

since i have 1 calibrated set of nailbombs, i think im going to use emgs in my mahogany guitars. right now i dont have anyone. The dean will be the first. and the next one WILL also have mahogany. but it will take a long time before i decide to buy the 8th and LAST guitar in my collection. it WILL be a les paul type .
i need some Cold sweat neck clip to change or make my mind on it. Q: /
Thanks for the input again man.
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