Orange Dual Terror being picky with dist pedals. Any Orange users here?

[richard]

I have used a Dual Terror through an Orange 2 x 12 quite a bit in our rehearsal place. I really liked the amp but I did find that chords tended to mush together into one homogenous sound unlike my Cornford Roadhouse which lets you hear every note in a  six string chord even with lots of gain. I never tried an O/D through the DT but I imagine it would mush things up even further. It sounds like you're using rather specialised O/D pedals - a pedal that is built to give a plexi sound really needs a cleaner base to work on.

You might be better off with a simpler O/D. I have a Boss OD3 which is my go to pedal for livening up virtually any amp. It is known to have little effect on an amp's eq (no bass cut or mid boost) and simply adds more punch (with the volume up) and more grit (with the gain up). I've even made a Marshall MG amp produce some usable tones with it. If I'm in a situation where I can't use my own amp the OD3 has always saved the day. I also have a Blackstar HT Drive with a valve in it which was a lot more expensive and is not as versatile as the OD3.

[Lucas]

I also have Wampler Ego Compressor which stays always on on the floor. I place it always before DIST/OD, I`ll try tomorrow to place it after them to see what will happen.
Anyway, on Sunday once all valves are replaced I`ll take that Orange to the practice room and will crank it louder.


basically I hoped to get some tones like this from my Wampler Triple Wreck (from 2:20 to 3:05), (yeesss, wishful thinking but that video made me buying that pedal)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG2S9HUHsqM

but with my Orange on those settings the result is muddy, bassy, blurry piece of **** when I add up brightness it turns into blurry and fizzy piece of ****.

many thanks all of you guys!

[Telerocker]

The Triple Wreck is a highgain pedal and most Oranges don't like that type of pedal, especially not on the drivechannel. My Brunetti Mercurybox 2 sounds quite ok on the clean channel of the RV, but is way too hefty and a tad dark in the lower register for the drivechannel. I suggest to look at something like a transparant OD to push the amp. Or set your amp clean or with a little edge, maybe that provides the best result with the Triple Wreck.

[Dave Sloven]

I guess you've seen this.

http://orangeampsblog.com/?p=394

I suspect that a 808 or maybe an MXR Custom Badass OD with the level cranked up with the mid hump turned off might give the best results for metal.

I the following video I actually like the TC Electronics Dark Matter Distortion best.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48mHfZPBw8

[Lucas]

I suggest to look at something like a transparant OD to push the amp. Or set your amp clean or with a little edge, maybe that provides the best result with the Triple Wreck.

That`s what I was doing, setting both channels as clean as possible and then using Triple Wreck. Fat channel was able to handle that better.

Triple Wreck is an 'amp in the box' as Wampler advertise it, Plexidrive supposes to be more transparent and less violent towards the amp overdrive but still aiming into certain type of sound.

I never looked at things like Maxon or Tubescreamer type of booster, as buying Triple Wreck and Plexidrive I hoped to cover both grounds DIST/OD. My mistake, never really checked how those pedals will behave with my amp.

[Kiichi]

Yeah, Orange does not play well with amp in a box types to distill it down. Orange will be Orange. All you can do is change the shade of the Orange, the size, the freshness, the juicieness. YouŽll never make it a banana though.

[agentOrAnGe]

I have had a rockerverb, a or15 and now the jim root terror. All of them were very picky about pedals and particularly drives. I found light drives and boosts work much better.

[Lucas]

Is there any sense of using Maxon/tubescreamer booster after or before (never had any experience with boosters) OD/DIST like Triple Wreck to make the whole thing sound better in my case? I mean permanently on.

I have watched couple of demos of Maxon OD808 as a booster and you can get a used one on places like Ebay very cheap.

[Dave Sloven]

I think you'll find that if the Wampler pedal doesn't work now the tubescreamer will just make is suck worse.

Maybe keep it for the clean channel of a Peavey Bandit or something.  A tubescreamer by itself should help

[richard]

I'm not familiar with either of your pedals but I've just looked at the Wampler site. I would say that the Triple Wreck is probably not a great choice to go with your amp. You may have more luck with the Plexidrive by itself. I would suggest turning the gain to zero. Turn the pedal volume up so that it's not adding any more drive to the amp. Then try setting the tone to as close to the amp's sound as possible. Then try adding a little more volume at a time. This should add a bit more oomph without altering your base sound too much. Then try adding a little gain. Basically, start with nothing and add the other elements gradually and sparingly.

I really like the Dual Terror. It's the first amp I've played in years that I would buy tomorrow if I had the spare cash. But it's a British flavoured amp that will never sound like a rectifier. By the way - you really need to be playing it loud while you experiment.

[keith]

I have the DT. which I put through a  Zilla 2x12 with Vintage 30's. I run it as clean as I can and use a Carl Martin DC Drive pedal. gets the results I need.

[Lucas]

Well guys, so everything is about cranking the amp lound I can say!

Just came back from the band practice, took my Orange today and to be honest I`m really pleased with the outcome as well as both Wampler pedals!
It sounded completely different than when I play in my bedroom trying not to piss my neighbors off.

It certainly wasn`t as clear sounding as Marshall JCM900 combo but sounded still great, not muddy, not blurry ect.
Orange was still adding little 'fuzziness' to the overall sound but I recon that it`s Orange nature anyway.

I used Tiny Terror channel as clean as possible with little gain and volume turned up.

What I also noticed is that Orange is quite 'boomy' with characteristic 'pop' at the start of single notes especially on clean sound without any OD/DIST.


Long story short to make it sound good you do have to play it loud.

Many thanks as always for great help to all of you!

[Dave Sloven]

Same with all valve amps I think

For bedroom practicing a solid state amp is best.  Save the valve amps for the practice room and gigs

[richard]

Same with all valve amps I think

For bedroom practicing a solid state amp is best.  Save the valve amps for the practice room and gigs

Couldn't agree more. If I plug in at home it has to be very low volume so I use a Microcube which does a great job and is fun to play. I wouldn't replace it with a small valve amp but the Blackstar Core amps look like a lot of fun.