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NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« on: April 04, 2017, 07:58:49 PM »
Hello again and welcome to my second new gear thread in 2 days hahaha  :grin:

So today finally a package from Thomann arrived with something in it I've been eyeing ever since it came out: The Laney IRT Studio 15 watt rackhead amplifier.

Now I'm sure a few of you have already seen/heard/played one but I wanted to open up a thread about my first impressions this stunning little piece of gear has left me with after the few hours I spent with it today. I'll try to put this into chronological sections and keep the wall of text I'm about to write somewhat overseeable. Here we go:


Unboxing:


So as I'm used to it it came in a huge ass box from Thomann filled with air cushioning protecting the actual packaging the amp was in. I opened everything up, seemed to be packed well and sturdy enough to survive the journey from China to Germany and finally to Austria, Vienna without any problems. Happy to report everything is working without a problem!
Included were a power supply cable, the footswitch, the manual, a few stickers from Laney, and some screws and dogears to mount the amp in a rack.


Construction/Quality:


So my first impression was that the unit seems to be built very sturdy, the black brushed metal casing gives it a solid look and feel despite its low weight and on the top you can see the two EL84 powertubes smiling at you through a metal grid. The one thing that seems cheap are the pots and the switches, very easy to turn without a lot of resistance and likely to make readjusting your settings a must when you carry the amp around in the provided bag. Some of the white color on the pots isn't perfectly drawn but I expected this judging from other reviews on the net and in the end one mustn't forget it's a chinese amp. It also came with a sticker on top I instantly removed before I fired it up to prevent the glue from heating up to the point where removing it would be impossible, it left some stains and glue I got off carefully with some nail polish remover. After doing that I had only the shiny black brushed metal smiling at me together with an engraved Laney logo. Muuuch better.


Firing it up/Sound:


I unplugged all the cables from my Marshall DSL 100 and seated the Laney on top. Connected my JCM 800 cab, my pedalboard, set the impedance to 16 ohms, checked everything twice and flicked the switch.

I was blown away. I played this amp before in my local music store, but I already suspected it would sound even better through the original G12-65 speakers in my early 80s Marshall cab. I won't rave too much about the cleans, all I'll say is that they sound good, no Fender clean here but a good plattform for either adding dirt for rock or doing jazzy runs on it's own. I didn't get this for the cleans anyway so you'll hear my final verdict after I played this baby for a few months. The reverb sounds very good and almost made me forget my RV-5 pedal. Very nice.

The rhythm channel. Heaven. The amount of gain this thing has on tap is ridiculous, but the real joy is the voicing of the amp. I can't really describe it, it's just exactly what I'm looking for in an amplifier. It's tight up to the point where you don't need a tubescreamer for thrash riffing, it's voiced "british" with bite and overtones, yet it seems to have something a bit darker going on. It spits pinch harmonics and bites and hisses like a tiger that's been unleashed. It feels great to play. Very responsive and very rewarding. Lot's of "chicka chicka" when you play dead notes. Kick in a tubescreamer and activate the internal reverb and your notes sustain endlessly and sing. Hard Rock, 80's Metal and Thrash Metal. It's all in there. Amazing.

The lead channel adds more compression and sustain and as expected continues where the rhythm channel left off. It's saturated up to the point where I'd really just use it for lead playing. Sweeps, legato runs, tapping and all those juicy notes played up high on the fretboard with the neck pickup, amazing. Exactly what I expect from a lead channel.

The built in boost is a nice idea, but compared to an actual tubescreamer up front it just muddies things up and takes away from the clarity. If you need some extra volume for soloing cool, for riffing I'd rather use a dedicated OD pedal up front. But hey, it's there so I won't complain.

The 15 watt input is loud as hell, I wouldn't fear to compete with a drummer, if you have the option of micing the cab in a live situation you should be golden. And if not there's still the DI XLR out you can connect to the PA. The 1 watt input allows you to play in your bedroom without pissing off neighbours and helps to saturate the powersection even more. But make no mistake, I never had the master volume higher than 3, even on 1 Watt. This is still a tube amp.

My final thoughts on the sound are that the cab makes or breakes this amp. As said I already played it once in a music store and the first 412 I used was your standard Marshall 1960 with G12T-75s. Very thick and balanced sound, juicy. Tried it next with an Orange PPC 412 and I got a honky, nasal and thin mess. This thing doesn't like middy speakers, it's voiced mid heavy already. The G12-65s in my cab are broken in, not as scooped as the 75s but not as nasal as the V30. The fact that the Orange was brand new and the speakers had no play time on them probably made things even worse. Anyway, if the older brothers sound anything like this little fella here I might be tempted to get one of them as a live amp  :grin:


Connecting to PC/Recording:


So this was a must for me to try out today. I read a few reviews where users had noise issues connecting the amp to the pc via USB, seemed to be a problem of the first batch of amps due to a lack of shielding. I tried it out and had perfect silence. So the amp stays with me. I got one of the second batch models where Laney fixed the noise issue. Very nice.

Now I opened Reaper and set everything up, pretty self explanatory. You have two signals, one processed, one dry that you can later on send through the unit again to reamp and finalize your sound. The most important aspect for me is the feeling of the amp. Your signal goes through the pre and power amp section, retaining the natural feeling from the tubes whilst playing that you loose with plugins and modellers. The chain is finalized with an internal speaker sim that you can turn off and substitute with dedicated Impulse Responses in your DAW.

Now I put it on my table in the kitchen, connected it to my PC and almost cringed when I turned it on. No speaker connected. It's a tube amp. But wait. It has an internal dummy load that gets engaged as soon as there's no cable connected to the speaker out. Phew. It's all good  :grin:

The sounds is great. It will be all I ever need for covers and demo songs, and in case there's still something missing, you can always just use the dry track and re-amp it without having to replay perfect takes.


First Verdict:


So, the reason I got this amp in the first place is because my neighbour is pregnant. And because my laptop is too weak to process VSTs when I wanna riff away 3 in the morning when the muse kisses me (she's a bitch, always visiting at the most inappropriate times). And because I get carried away sometimes with my Marshall Halfstack in my room and turn it up until the whole neighbourhood heares me. And because it's portable and doesn't require a cab. And because I can use it to record songs. And because it sounds great. And because...

Anyway, before I go on. I just spend one day with it. Time will tell how good it is and if there are downsides. So far I'm a very happy fella. If you consider all the options you get, the 15 and 1 watt inputs, XLR DI Out, Headphone Jack, USB Re-Amping out, FX Loop, Internal Dummy Load, the great sound and the portability I don't regret any of the 598 bucks I paid for it. Oh and if I ever feel like it I might just as well us it as a preamp in a rack going into a poweramp to be able to play stadiums one day. A man can dream...

If this amp was made in England I'd be more than happy to pay double for it.


Anyway guys, I hope you excuse the wall of text. Maybe this review makes someone else pull the trigger on this amazing piece of gear. I'm sure happy I did. Pics are attached.


Cheers!!!  :azn:

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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2017, 11:09:00 AM »
Quick addendum: played around a bit and threw together a quick sample. DI out into my interface with the cabinet emulation switched off. Still need to find better a IR, but this is the sound totally unedited  :smiley:

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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2017, 04:53:57 PM »
Really excellent review  :smiley:

Laney are producing some really impressive gear these days and doing it at more than reasonable prices. I was considering a Laney IRT-X cabinet to go with my Atomic AmpliFire but there's very little information out there for people using it that way and very few places have it in stock for me to try before buying so I eventually decided to just stick with my trusty Orange 1X12. If I can ever get more reliable information about its use this way I'd certainly be interested.
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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2017, 11:34:02 AM »
Nice review.  I tried one of these out myself a few months ago and thought it was a pretty impressive piece of kit
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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2017, 02:51:02 PM »
Slart: yeah especially the silent recording feature together with the dummy load are fantastic ideas. Should be standard in every amplifier imho. Maybe I pick up the Lionheart Studio one day. Class A amp with 5/0.5 watts and the same features as the IRT Studio. Seems like fun. Checked out the IRT-X cab as well. Very tempted to get one of these as well. My poor wallet hahaha  :tongue:

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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2017, 01:45:44 PM »
Slart: yeah especially the silent recording feature together with the dummy load are fantastic ideas. Should be standard in every amplifier imho. Maybe I pick up the Lionheart Studio one day. Class A amp with 5/0.5 watts and the same features as the IRT Studio. Seems like fun. Checked out the IRT-X cab as well. Very tempted to get one of these as well. My poor wallet hahaha  :tongue:

Glad you are enjoying the amp. I couldn't get on with it. There was horrible latency when recording and it just sounded flat in comparison to my other amps but it was handy for the 6 months that I needed it!

With regards to the cab they aren't that great. Really thin and brash sounding even with different speakers.
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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2017, 12:54:48 PM »
Ah Tony, I knew I read somewhere you had one at a certain point in time. I haven't experienced any latency issues, maybe you had a first batch version, as said they fixed a few things with the new issued ones. :)

Btw, since you jumped in, do you know if there's a possibilty to rewire the footswitch to change switching options?

There's a 5 pin connector at the back of the amp, the footswitch has 4 buttons, Lead, Clean, Reverb and Boost. When none is engaged the amp is in Rhythm mode. I have a Carl Martin Octaswitch as master controller for all my effects and my amp channels, problem is the thing has two regular guitar jack outs that go to the back of your amp to switch channels or engage reverb/boost.

Now with my ENGL Savage 60 I have no problems, I take a stereo jack Y cable with two mono jacks, plug them into the Octaswitch and the stereo end into the back of the amp and can toggle both channel switching and boost. For the Laney I've been thinking about ordering a midi to stereo jack adapter and use the Y cable, connect everything up, disengage certain functions on the amp and see if the switching works between Clean and Rhythm. I won't use the Lead Channel nor the Boost nor the Reverb as I have dedicated pedals for everything.

I know you are very knowledgeable with these things and I myself am handy with a soldering iron, so if you don't mind sharing your wisdom with me I'd be more than happy to figure out on how to convert the footswitch to do what I want or solder a dedicated cable to access the right pin inserts on the back of the Laney to work with my Octaswitch. If this is a bit to technical for this thread I'd be happy if you'd shoot me a pm :)

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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #7 on: April 15, 2017, 10:31:12 AM »
Ah Tony, I knew I read somewhere you had one at a certain point in time. I haven't experienced any latency issues, maybe you had a first batch version, as said they fixed a few things with the new issued ones. :)

Btw, since you jumped in, do you know if there's a possibilty to rewire the footswitch to change switching options?

There's a 5 pin connector at the back of the amp, the footswitch has 4 buttons, Lead, Clean, Reverb and Boost. When none is engaged the amp is in Rhythm mode. I have a Carl Martin Octaswitch as master controller for all my effects and my amp channels, problem is the thing has two regular guitar jack outs that go to the back of your amp to switch channels or engage reverb/boost.

Now with my ENGL Savage 60 I have no problems, I take a stereo jack Y cable with two mono jacks, plug them into the Octaswitch and the stereo end into the back of the amp and can toggle both channel switching and boost. For the Laney I've been thinking about ordering a midi to stereo jack adapter and use the Y cable, connect everything up, disengage certain functions on the amp and see if the switching works between Clean and Rhythm. I won't use the Lead Channel nor the Boost nor the Reverb as I have dedicated pedals for everything.

I know you are very knowledgeable with these things and I myself am handy with a soldering iron, so if you don't mind sharing your wisdom with me I'd be more than happy to figure out on how to convert the footswitch to do what I want or solder a dedicated cable to access the right pin inserts on the back of the Laney to work with my Octaswitch. If this is a bit to technical for this thread I'd be happy if you'd shoot me a pm :)

Cheers

As far as I know the IRT isn't actually midi. It's just a 5 pin DIN connector. All that you have to do really is figure out which pin is ground (I think this is standardised on DIN connectors so the info should be easy to find) and then go through the remaining pins checking which one switches which function then make a cable accordingly.

If you do some googling someone has probably already done this. The laney forums would be a good spot to check.
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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2017, 04:41:44 PM »
Thanks Tony. Ordered a 5 pin to stereo jack converter and a midi cable for now. Should be a fun little project.

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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2017, 04:21:46 PM »
Ok, found this on the Laney forums:



If my thought process is right: I take a midi cable, dissect it, connect the ground to ground, clean to one tip path and lead to the other tip path of the stereo to mono y cable, plug both mono plugs into the according inputs on my Octaswitch and I can toggle between the different channels, right?

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Re: NAD - Laney IRT Studio - first impressions
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2017, 04:00:24 PM »
Problem solved! Even without soldering a custom cable. So anybody looking to make the switching with a similar system to the Octaswitch work, here's the solution:

Order one of these: https://www.thomann.de/at/the_sssnake_1872_adapter.htm


Plug into the back of the IRT Studio, attach a stereo to mono jack y cable and plug it into the switching outs of the looper. Reverb and Boost functions are obviously not accessible, but if you don't need them like me because you have dedicated pedals for that, you can now toggle between Clean, Rhythm and Lead however you want. Happy it worked out!

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