Author Topic: Rebel Yells clip, questions (Read 5300 times)

paulburns1984 · « **on:** September 10, 2006, 12:42:30 AM »

Hi all, I have recently had my Rebel Yell set installed in my Schecter C-1 Plus, and at first i adored the bridge pup but have a little less happy with my neck pup but just after dialing in my amp for the second time I am starting to like the neck pup more and more. The problem I had with it was that I thought it sounded a little too mushy and inarticulate COMPARED to the bridge.

As I said recently I have come to think this less but I did a clip to try and test out my theory just for myself to hear but thought why waste a clip why not post it on here and let some potential rebel buyers have a listen.

The clip was done straight into a line 6 Toneport UX1, which although good I havn't messed around enough with the guitar settings to get a good sound and so had to use a preset that has too much effect on the cleans and too much distortion on the dirty but hey ho here it is.

Also the playing is just random to listen to the sound, and I did it whilst watching match of the day, so my attention wasn't really focused :D

Dirty Bridge pickup 0 - 50 secs
Dirty Neck pickup 50 - 115 secs Notice any mud here???
Clean Neck pickup 115 - 144 secs

paulburns1984 · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2006, 12:45:18 AM »

Just read that through again and it seemed too negative, don't get me wrong I LOVE these pickups, but maybe its just paranoia but am wondering if my neck pickup has been set too far from the strings or something like that. But as I say I am thining that less and less.

38thBeatle · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2006, 01:02:07 AM »

It is difficult to tell- as you say, there are too many effects there to be able to hear it. I can't honestly say it sounded muddy but that might be becuase I have just got back from a gig and my ears are tired. Have you tried altering the pup height to see what effect it has?I would suggest using a cleaner tone to see if the pups sound balanced. I am sure others will chime in with their thoughts.

paulburns1984 · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2006, 01:36:04 AM »

is it dangerous to alter pup height if you aren't sure what you are doing? Ive never done it before so is maybe a possible road to go down but as I say I've never done it before.

Kid Charlemagne · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2006, 02:28:55 AM »

Its not dangerous. Just dont screw it down too far. Also remember how many times you turn it just in case you wanna go back to the original hieght.

jt · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2006, 02:37:30 AM »

:D No it`s not dangerous to adjust the height of your pups. Turn your amp to a clean setting no distortion as this helps to "cover up" the sound of the guitar some what. When the amp is giving a nice clean sound then select one of the P/U`s with your selector switch. At the side of the pup there is a screw, infact there`s 2 screws. if you look at your guitar head on the screws are at 12 o`clock & 6 o`clock, turn the screws & you`ll see the relevant side start to move up or down. Now adjust the other screw so that the other side of the pup raises or lowers to mach the one you`ve just done. Strum your guitar while adjusting & listen to the sound coming through your amp. Let your ears tell you wether it`s any good or not.

Then repeat this process with the other pup. Don`t worry or panic if you have to do this several times over the course of a day, week, Month, as it will take you playing your guitar for a while to tell you if you`ve got it right.

Infact i would suggest that you lower the pup right down to start with then raise it untill you find the "Sweet" spot. I`m afraid there`s no formula for this we cant say to you "the pup should be 5mm away from the strings" it doesn`t work like that. It varys depending on what type of guitar you have what type of bridge etc, so don`t panic its a personnal preferance type of thing use & trust your ears. Dont Raise the pup above 5mm otherwise the screw will unscrew from the pups base plate. If it does again dont panic you just have to fiddle with it to get the screw back into the hole & screw it up slightly.

:D 8)

paulburns1984 · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2006, 03:19:16 AM »

thanks for the tips ill have to have a messaround.

hunter · « **Reply #7 on:** September 10, 2006, 08:26:14 AM »

Hi Paul, I can see what you have.

I used to play with a sound similar to yours, quite high gain, very smooth. In my first guitarist life (I used to play in a band in my early 20s, then didn't play for 10 years and started again 2 years ago) I never used the neck except sometimes for cleans or for Santana-like soloing.

Nowadays I use less gain and aim for a less compressed sound, which is sometimes harder to play and keep sustain, but in return gives you punch and definition. It's then where a neck Pickup like the RY makes sense and offers exactly the kind of quality that suits and rounds off this open and rough tone.

Why not try to optimise the amp settings for the neck (i.e. try less gain, less bass, less effects, until a rhythm riff sounds good on the neck) and then switch to the bridge, see if it's an acceptable sound - it's probably very different to what you feel comfortable with now. Maybe this can help understand where in your amp the EQ dislikes the neck pickup and make it easier to find a good compromise for both, bridge and neck.

paulburns1984 · « **Reply #8 on:** September 10, 2006, 01:46:18 PM »

Quote from: hunter

Hi Paul, I can see what you have.

I used to play with a sound similar to yours, quite high gain, very smooth. In my first guitarist life (I used to play in a band in my early 20s, then didn't play for 10 years and started again 2 years ago) I never used the neck except sometimes for cleans or for Santana-like soloing.

Nowadays I use less gain and aim for a less compressed sound, which is sometimes harder to play and keep sustain, but in return gives you punch and definition. It's then where a neck Pickup like the RY makes sense and offers exactly the kind of quality that suits and rounds off this open and rough tone.

Why not try to optimise the amp settings for the neck (i.e. try less gain, less bass, less effects, until a rhythm riff sounds good on the neck) and then switch to the bridge, see if it's an acceptable sound - it's probably very different to what you feel comfortable with now. Maybe this can help understand where in your amp the EQ dislikes the neck pickup and make it easier to find a good compromise for both, bridge and neck.

Well as I said thast sound isn't mine it was just the first preset of the toneport that i put on, I don't normaly play with that much gain. Ideally what I was looking for was a bridge like the RY gives, but a smoother neck like Slash leads. I know this guitar doesn't exist Im just giving you an idea of my dream setup, so thats the set up I go for. Just off topic Im thinking of getting my next guitar as an Epi LP Standard and chucking some SD Alnico Pro IIs in there.

Admittedly my amp does NOT help its an AVT150 Combo which as I've said many times is a bit of a disapointment if truth be told.

fps_dean · « **Reply #9 on:** September 13, 2006, 09:25:04 AM »

When I first got mine, I had a similiar type sound. I had to back off the presence and midrange a bit.... but eventually I opted for RFT preamp tubes over the Amperex's that I had in my SL-X when I got my RY's and now whatever I set it at works.