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« Reply #15 on: January 16, 2007, 01:21:57 PM »
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Line 6 Toneports are pretty easy to use though it does take a while to get a good tone.


Funny, i thought exactly the opposite about the tone when I got it. I can easily taylor any sound I want even with the basic modeling pack it come with. I might get the metal pack in the near future thow...
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« Reply #16 on: January 16, 2007, 05:15:10 PM »
Yet another tuppenceworth with which to confuse!
 1. Get balanced audio cables, otherwise you'll pick up unwanted artefacts(cr@p noise you don't want). This'll be more noticeable if you get a 24-bit card, as you'll want.
 2. Avoid for now going down the costly nearfield monitor route: I say this because you can "reference" from any speakers. I know a guy who has a mix going through a set of car speakers, as that is where he listens to most of his music. Likewise, I've a mix that goes thru my home stereo: a) I'm used to its frequencies; b) it's easier for me to "refer" to a CD of my fave music and so judge what tweaks I do at mastering stage.
  IF you have to get nearfields? Well, I've used ESI powered nearfields for 2 years; cheap, reliable and flat-responding...that is, avoid anything too bassy.
  Also, if you've posh monnies and a 24-bit card, ANY audio artefact will leap out at you more stridently and you may become dispirited.
 3. Solve the pre-amp and soundcard thing in one hit by getting a soundcard that has its own breakout box!
 I'd really strongly suggest a Creative E-mu 1616M. It has mastering-grade converters and a breakout box that has both mic inputs and its own guitar preamp.
 I say this also because I'm going to be upgrading my own system from M-Audio to this E-mu and I wouldn't endorse anything I didn't believe in myself..and that was too costly!
   Thomann does good prices for the E-mu: £297. Before you grimace at the price, realise that for this you get an outstanding 24-bit card that does everything and has good preamps for both guitar and vocal. This should be your main expense rather than monitors: use your present creative ones for now(I did for one of my CDs). Invest next either in a SM57, or if you can stretch it, to a Rode NT (I forget which one...about £100). Bear in mind the Emu also offers phantom power for a condensor mic, so another saving.
  Your total cost= about £400; you'll be so pleased you could send a tenner to Zigmund for his help and still have 90 sheets left to take the missis out! :D

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« Reply #17 on: January 16, 2007, 07:50:02 PM »
I've got a Emu 1820 and it's great.  :)
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« Reply #18 on: January 16, 2007, 10:03:00 PM »
Ok, I'm well up for this Emu lark!

But I know nowt about this stuff, so I'm going to ask the collective wisdom here for opinion (really, no offence guys!): If anyone knows how the card/pre combination would compare to card/separate mixer, please speak up!

HTH: those are my thoughts on mics as well: I was gonna go for 57s for their industry standardness and you generally cant seem to go wrong and getting two keeps it simple and I can always find a use for another 57, but I was also thinking 57/audix i-5 and 57/MD421 (more expensive, but apparently worth it) too. I'll look at mixing mics without a doubt now.

And again, all of you, thanks so much for the great advice here: I'm unfamiliar with this stuff and really appreciate it!

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« Reply #19 on: January 16, 2007, 10:46:46 PM »
Well, I suppose the standalone external mixer is physically handy in that you can physically hook things up: obvious really, yet doing things "virtually" can be a bit confusing if one is starting out. It would be more beneficial if, say, you wanted to record several more folks simultaneously and have different mixes going to the individual players; If you were busy, it could be a pain going in and out of menus on the pc maybe. Any effects you used externally of course means that you put less load on your CPU...you'll also have fewer latency problems too, I'd think.
  On the other hand, patching things on screen in your "card/pre" option means fewer leads: thus, you keep the signal path cleaner and you'll save money; using software effects will give you much better bang for buck in terms of quality.
 Considering the extra cost of a decent standalone mixer, you'll save time and money with the breakout box option, as long as the breakout box has enough ins/outs.
  Finally, seeing as something like the Emu 1616M is posh enough to have a really good bundle of sequencing software, you'd maybe spend extra in that department if you had to fork out for a separate mixer.
  Think of how many instruments/players are going to be using it simultaneously too...also, if you bought a mixer, you'd still have to fork out for a guitar preamp.
  I know I sound biased here..well, I confess I am really; I weighed up my options to maximise cost and quality and decided on the card/breakout option. I'm not saying this is everyone's preference or the "right" way, but it's proven logical to me. Best of wishes with this; lerrus know how you get on!

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« Reply #20 on: January 17, 2007, 10:18:50 AM »
The Emu 1818M keeps things nice and simple, and while the pre-s won't be amazing they'll certainly hold their own with a mixer of equivalent cost. I've got the 1212M which is essentially the same digital connectivity and covertors, but without the breakout box, and I'm very happy with it. If you get into recording in a big way then the Emu will continue to hold it's own, and the additional line level inputs mean that you can add extra pre's and you'll still have the 2 Emu's pre's as well. For £300 it's a smart solution :)

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« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2007, 12:16:10 AM »
OK, thanks massively for everyones help!

I'm off to manchester on sunday to see if theres anything I can get in the sales, armed with all your advice (and some old fashioned in-person stuff).

I'll let you know how I get on. If I get on.

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« Reply #22 on: January 22, 2007, 01:48:01 AM »
Shops were all closed!

Damn my opportunistic ride-hitching without checking stuff like that first!

More updates to come!

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« Reply #23 on: January 22, 2007, 01:57:53 PM »
Ok folks, heres where I am now:

I have these candidates from soho soundhouse. One looks pretty rough-and-ready, one looks quite flash.

I want to record a guitar (to begin with) with something good for running straight into a soundcard, as the soundcraft claims to be. But I also want it to sound as good as possible, and the Mackie claims to have studio quality pre's.

I don’t trust any advert of any sort, so…..which do you think?

Will the Mackie run easily into my soundcard or will it just confuse me?

Will the soundcraft sound good, and its lower priced because its only 4 channel or is it ‘cheap-and-cheerfull’?


Soundcraft compact 4
http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/productAction.do?dispatch=showProduct&SKU=SCRA-COMPACT4&context=WEB

Mackie 1202 vlz pro.
http://www.turnkey.co.uk/web/productAction.do?dispatch=showProduct&SKU=MACK-1202PRO&context=WEB

Mic wise I'm going for one SM57 and one i-5. Headphones are also on the list, but I'll choose separately.

Thanks again guys!