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« on: June 14, 2007, 11:04:55 AM »
I'm pretty much an analogue pedal man, but am getting a little tired of lugging around loads of pedals, balancing them all within the FX loop hopping around on stage when I need to change the channels on my amp etc.

Tried out a Diezel Herbert a couple of weeks ago, and that was midi controllable. - So I'll obviously need a midi controller to change the amp channels.  I was considering using this as an opportunity to get a rack unit - but know sod all about them.

I had a digitech Genex3 once - but the effects were awefull, flat, uninspiring, sterile and having a really detrimental affect on tone.

Would this be the same with a midi unit?

I love the idea of the massive amount of flexibility that midi provides, but dont want my tone to suffer.  How transparent are they? and are the effects generally any good?

Could anyone maybe recommend me a decent rack unit?  I'm not really interested in pre-amps, amp modellers etc. Just the effects.

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2007, 11:46:24 AM »
TC Electronic G system - fantastic
Very versatile!

The TC G major and G Force(which I have) are also really fab, but I love the pedalboard that comes with the G system
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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2007, 12:26:10 PM »
I'd need to sell my house for that!

I take it through the advantage of the Gysytem means I wouldnt need a the seperate Columbus Midi controller for the Herbert?

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« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2007, 10:29:53 AM »
I have a TC Electronic G-Major.  It sounds fantastic, but I need to consult the manual whenever I want to change the patches - it's not the most obvious/intuitive unit to use.

How about the Rocktron Xpression?  I don't have one yet (seriously considering one though) but I do have a VooduValve preamp which is laid out in a similar way - that's VERY easy to use & the MIDI Mate foot controller is quite good too (you can phantom power it down the Rocktron 7-pin cable so you don't need to trail a power cable across the stage).  The vooduvalve certainly has nice FX, as did the Intellifex I tried years ago, so I imagine the Xpression will sound good too.
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« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2007, 05:48:00 AM »
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« Reply #5 on: June 17, 2007, 01:40:44 AM »
+1 on g system....you get the foot controller...it is so flex-able...I pulled mine out..connected with cat5 cable...dropped chassis in my rack...connect everything with patch cables..might can score it for 1000-1200 ??I think it is the highest quality eff. right now A-Z...the eventide is ultimate,but extra $$$$ FOR control..
btw, I LOVE the filter on the G system!!!autowah me ,baby!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2007, 09:13:58 AM »
Boss GT-8.

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« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2007, 10:51:35 AM »
If you're after something cheap, simple, and MIDI controllable, the TC Electronic G-Sharp is a very good option. It's designed specifically for guitar and uses knobs instead of buttons wherever it can.

The limitation is that you can only have one reverb, plus either a modulation or a delay. But how many effects do you really need at once? Usually I don't want to mess with the purity of my tone too much, so the G-Sharp was just the ticket.

I bought mine from Thomann.de for £165, which included a 3-button (non-MIDI) footswitch. An absolute bargain!
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« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2007, 02:08:47 PM »
Quote from: froglord
If you're after something cheap, simple, and MIDI controllable, the TC Electronic G-Sharp is a very good option. It's designed specifically for guitar and uses knobs instead of buttons wherever it can.

The limitation is that you can only have one reverb, plus either a modulation or a delay. But how many effects do you really need at once? Usually I don't want to mess with the purity of my tone too much, so the G-Sharp was just the ticket.

I bought mine from Thomann.de for £165, which included a 3-button (non-MIDI) footswitch. An absolute bargain!


-does this unit have comp as well??I have a buddy interested in checking one out
....how do you like the flanger and phaser??these are his other concerns
thanks
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« Reply #9 on: June 17, 2007, 05:02:51 PM »
Quote from: shaman
Quote from: froglord
If you're after something cheap, simple, and MIDI controllable, the TC Electronic G-Sharp is a very good option. It's designed specifically for guitar and uses knobs instead of buttons wherever it can.

The limitation is that you can only have one reverb, plus either a modulation or a delay. But how many effects do you really need at once? Usually I don't want to mess with the purity of my tone too much, so the G-Sharp was just the ticket.

I bought mine from Thomann.de for £165, which included a 3-button (non-MIDI) footswitch. An absolute bargain!


-does this unit have comp as well??I have a buddy interested in checking one out
....how do you like the flanger and phaser??these are his other concerns
thanks


No - it doesn't have compression (it's difficult to see how they'd do it without having effects loops in it, since compression traditionally comes before overdrive).

I'm also not very well qualified to talk about phasing and flanging because they're my least favourite modulation effects (I mean in general - not just in the G-Sharp). They need a bit of tweaking to get them sounding okay (to my ears anyway), but seem to be fairly high quality. The phasers are very vowel-like and flanger does the jet-plane woosh convincingly. One thing I've noticed is that they both sound weird when the depth is set high - kind of drunken and off-pitch. For my money I'd use them as subtle effects rather than full-on warbling.

I prefer the tremolos (a wonderful, hypnotic pulse) and the "vibra" (which gives an organ-like vibrato). The delays are great, with various levels of degradation in the signal, from pristine clean to tape decay to lo-fi, which is even more mangled on the repeats.

You're spoilt for choice on the reverbs - everything from the subtlest room reflection to a cavernous cathedral. There's a very useful pre-delay knob which places a pause before the reverb starts, allowing your original signal to come through clearly without being swamped by its own reverb.

I like that TC have really thought this unit through and put in some genuinely useful things while trying to keep it simple. It has a couple of quirks (changing up or down a patch requires two button presses on the main unit, although it's only one press of the footswitch; you can't have patch change and tap tempo on the footswitch at the same time) but I'm very happy with it as an all-in-one reverb/delay/modulation box. I've potentially saved a fortune on stompboxes, while also avoiding the button-pressing hell that plagues a lot of multi-fx. This thing just lets you get on with it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 17, 2007, 05:08:16 PM »
I probably could have saved myself some time by directing you here:

http://www.tcelectronic.com/default.asp?id=8219

... and here:

http://www.tcelectronic.com/default.asp?id=7571

 :D
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« Reply #11 on: June 17, 2007, 10:54:13 PM »
cool..I own a g system...sounds like the effects are identical...the G allows routing in front of and in loop(didnt know if the sharp did it or not..a la compression..)
my friend wants something easier than the g-this sounds very user friendly!
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