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« on: November 16, 2007, 11:29:05 AM »
At some time in the '50s my dad built himself a guitar - a flat top acoustic with a surface mounted pickup near the bridge. By the time I was born in the '60s he'd stopped giging and the guitar was left to gather dust in the loft. Sadly over the years it suffered a bad neck break. With all due respect to my dad it was a bit of a dog (sorry dad) and wasn't worth repairing.

He salvaged various bits and pieces from it, none of which are of much interest apart from the pickup. There are two words printed on the front - 'Antoria' and 'Foreign'. It is hard wired to a volume/ tone control with a 1/8" jack output. On the original guitar there was a matching coloured lead from this going to a female 1/4" jack socket which I still have.

I've looked up Antoria on the internet but all I can find is that it was a brand name used by British importers for various Japanese manufacturers. There are also some Antoria guitars on ebay so I assume someone is still making them.

It has no great sentimental value to either of us so if it's worth anything I'd be willing to sell. Ive never heard it plugged in and I'm not keen on drilling holes in the top of my acoustic just to try it out.

If anyone can tell me anything more about it I'd be grateful.

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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2007, 01:36:45 PM »
Antoria is a UK-based brand name used by British importers of guitars that are built by various Japanese manufacturers. Primarily made at the Fuji-Gen factory in Japan during the 1970s, these guitars were imitations of well-known and expensive guitars models available in the United States. These catered to a segment who could not afford expensive guitars. The Antorias range of guitars featured solid chassis on the electric guitars with slim maple necks on popular models including "Telecaster" "Les Paul" and "Jazz Bass". These were said to be good in performance compared to the US brands; however, this is a contentious issue.

The guitars were imported from the Fuji Gen Gakki factory into UK by companies – JT Coppock Leeds Ltd and CSL Charles Summerfield Ltd and re-branded with the Antoria name. The brand gained huge reputation by producing a very accurate imitation of Gibson acoustic and electric guitars.

Apart from making copies of the Gibson and Fender guitars, they also manufactured interesting variations on other well-known style of guitars. The quality of Japanese instruments produced during the 1970s was comparatively better compared to poor quality controls in USA at that time. These copies of original guitars have now become collectables among guitarists owing to their quality and affordability. Some of the popular Antoria guitars include Antoria classical guitar, Antoria bass guitar and Antoria Mandolin MGM155.


In short its an ibanez rebranded pickup for acoustic (flattop) guitars.

I would love to have one of my dad's guitars(he had two really gogeous jazzers and a martin acoustic guitar), but he traded them in to buy his first car when he got married, he never played since........ I do have some pictures left, kinda funny to see that old man playing.
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2007, 01:48:43 PM »
the thing is he says that's from the 50's, not the 70's.  long before the Japanese imports.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2007, 02:15:22 PM »
It's clearly imported. I can (just about) remember a time when anything not 'Made In Great Britain' was labelled simply 'Foreign'. I suppose what I really want to know is whether or not it's collectable and whether it would still be usable. Would it sound any good if I fit it to my acoustic? I could always try a temporary fit with blu tack to see if it works.

I'm 99% certain it was from the '50s or earlier. I was born in 1961 and remember the guitar as a very young child - with strict intructions not to touch it.

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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2007, 02:30:28 PM »
it possibly would have been made for an archtop guitar rather than a normal acoustic.  I would guess at 50's or 60's and most likely european.

never seen one like that, but i have seen similar ones - hard to pin down and the only real value is as an antique oddball.

try it out and see if it sounds good

In the 50's/early 60's the options for guitars were less - propably just cheapo acoustic or archtop guitars and they usually had the option of an extra unit like this

not old enough to remember it myself though!!! :wink:

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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2007, 02:31:13 PM »
Here's a photo that will give an idea as to the era. This was the other guitar he was using at the time. Check out the style of the photo and the clothing (yes, I admit he was in a C&W band - I wish he still had that hat though - it's wicked and you should have seen the cowboy boots).

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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2007, 02:35:52 PM »
Italian me thinks - maybe somehow related to eko

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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2007, 03:09:19 PM »
My old guitar teach had an Antoria Les Paul copy...

Have no idea about their origins though sorry.  :oops:

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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2007, 03:23:51 PM »
there was definately a japanese company called antoria that made cheap copies but i think this clearly predates this.  Dont forget the japanese companies got there names for guitars from non japanese places

I had a quick look and found an antoria archtop from the 50's that was most probably italian

as an example the original ibanezes were imports of spanish guitars to japan from spain in the 30's.  Ibanezes were not made in japan till the late 50's.  I imagine the japanese antoria got the name from the original italian company following ibanezes example

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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2007, 03:44:02 PM »
The article doesnt say the brandname didnt exist prior to the seventies, only that it started selling fender and other copies in the 70's.

It does have an italian air to it, i wouldnt be surprised if Antoria also rebranded italian made stuff.

Probabaly the pickup still works, that stuff is virtually indistructable, you will however most surely have to bypass the volume and tone control.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2007, 04:01:52 PM »
I don't know about the pickup, but that is a fantastic picture of your dad.  The world really was a totally different place then!  I wish my dad had done something as interesting as that in his youth, he's probably about the same age.

I hope you have that in a frame somewhere! :D
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2007, 04:08:05 PM »
Quote from: Philly Q
I don't know about the pickup, but that is a fantastic picture of your dad.  The world really was a totally different place then!  I wish my dad had done something as interesting as that in his youth, he's probably about the same age.

I hope you have that in a frame somewhere! :D


Pride of place in the photo album!

I used to use the hat and boots to dress up when I was little and they got ruined. I'd love to have them now - very SRV :wink:

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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2007, 10:09:40 PM »
Antoria was indeed the name a distributer applied by a UK company to overseas produced instruments. Though I do believe that there was some UK built ones in the 50s but I can't remember the builder.

In the mid 60s & through the 70s they where Japanese built, and prior to that I believe they where German (or possibly Italian) built and I would tend towards Germany as a source.

They seemed to vanish around 1982, as I spent ages trying to buy a new one way back then.

Mick Green of the Pirates (and also tours with Paul McCartney, Brian Ferry & Van Morrison) is pictured on this page playing one http://www.thepirates.co.uk/franks%20page/frankspage.htm from 1959

Just before the Tokai became really well known in the early 80s (with the springy sound range) Antoria was the guitar to have (often in preference to Gibsons & Fenders).

I have an Antoria SG myself and it's an excellent beastie (apart from the very thin frets), but it's so playable I can forgive it.


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