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gorath23

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« on: January 20, 2008, 06:38:47 PM »
OK came across a couple of clips by this guy, incredible soul in his fingers. I'm still really interested in the Mules, is this similar to their sound?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-ddDih7-fE&feature=related

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBlJaOFrl_Y

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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2008, 06:58:37 PM »
I have exchanged emails with that guy before and he plays Seymour Duncans and Gibson pickups. I believe that video he uses 57 classics. In at least one of his other videos he uses Seymour Duncan PAF's.
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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2008, 07:21:23 PM »
In both of those links you're hearing the amp and the effects.  The pickups are a tiny percentage of that tone.  If you've got the compressor, delay, amp etc that he's using then the standard pickups on a Chinese LP will do that sound, Mules alone won't give it to you.

What amp/effects rig are you using?

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2008, 10:04:28 PM »
I agree with Twinfan,

However tastefully he chooses the notes, his aural textures are so heavily effected and compressed, that the pickups are well disguised.

If you wanted your original question answering without a challenge, I would say the sound is closer to Emeralds than Mules. Mules have mids, but remain quite open. The lovely soundclips of Emeralds I have heard on here seem to suggest a hotter, more compressed and upper mid rich pickup.

I will however follow this thread with interest, it is always good to learn from other people's experience - hence Tim giving us this excellent forum !   :D

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2008, 10:18:32 PM »
Nice words Derek, as always  :)

Apologies if mine were a bit harsh and unhelpful  :(

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2008, 10:26:05 PM »
I can get this tone from Stormy Mondays..... with a Klon Centaur, HBE Power Screamer and my custom built bluesmaker amp.  Actually I can probably get this tone from any of my BK's if I set the effects up right.  Like everyone else is saying, the tone he has really owes more to the effects he is using than to the pickups or guitar.
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« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2008, 10:33:54 PM »
Quote from: Twinfan
In both of those links you're hearing the amp and the effects.  The pickups are a tiny percentage of that tone.  

And the guy's hands.  Never forget the hands.

I really enjoyed the clips.  Lovely melodic playing.
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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2008, 05:00:22 AM »
What is the song in that video?

I have heard that backing track before....

EDIT: Found out where I heard it... on splawns website, they have the following sound clip.

http://www.splawnguitars.com/Splawn_QR_Schmitt.mp3
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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2008, 05:07:23 AM »
Quote from: Fourth Feline
I agree with Twinfan,

However tastefully he chooses the notes, his aural textures are so heavily effected and compressed, that the pickups are well disguised.

If you wanted your original question answering without a challenge, I would say the sound is closer to Emeralds than Mules. Mules have mids, but remain quite open. The lovely soundclips of Emeralds I have heard on here seem to suggest a hotter, more compressed and upper mid rich pickup.

I will however follow this thread with interest, it is always good to learn from other people's experience - hence Tim giving us this excellent forum !   :D


I agree with everything you said :)
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2008, 09:44:44 AM »
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i play through a Digitech 2120 with a Mesa Boogie stereo power amp through 2 Marshall 4x12's in stereo.


I got this from the comments by this guy, the digitech is one of the heaviest modeling preamps there are, so i do agree with the original tone being of rather small influence on the final sound. I disagree with a more emerald kind of tone because to cut trough all the modeling effects you need a very clear and middy tone.

Mules are just great for any recording or modeling purpose IMO.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2008, 12:15:38 PM »
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What is the song in that video?

I have heard that backing track before....

EDIT: Found out where I heard it... on splawns website, they have the following sound clip.

http://www.splawnguitars.com/Splawn_QR_Schmitt.mp3


I have heard the backing track before, but the song it is based on is surely "Looking For Love " from the late 80s Whitesnake album called ( funnily enough) "Whitesnake " - the one with the grey marble effect cover e.t.c
 Some of John Sykes greatest melodic moments ...  :D

Appologies if you already know this -  :wink:

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2008, 12:22:24 PM »
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i play through a Digitech 2120 with a Mesa Boogie stereo power amp through 2 Marshall 4x12's in stereo.


I got this from the comments by this guy, the digitech is one of the heaviest modeling preamps there are, so i do agree with the original tone being of rather small influence on the final sound. I disagree with a more emerald kind of tone because to cut trough all the modeling effects you need a very clear and middy tone.

Mules are just great for any recording or modeling purpose IMO.


Good point Henk.

What I meant to say, was if the player wanted that tone without so many ( if indeed any ) effects - the Emerald might better produce those tones straight into an overdriven amp. I agree that if a player wanted to keep all the effects, they might best go down the Dave Gilmour route of a very strong clean / open tone from the guitar. This quality of in your face clean / open , I associate with Apaches in the single coils, or Mules and Stormy Mondays in the Humbuckers. As you say, Mules will have more 'kick' as well - whereas the SMs need to work with, not in competition with   the amp and effects chain.

I am reminded that the tones / song this is based on are of course John Sykes, so strictly speaking we are talking AV neck, Ceramic bridge / Cold Sweats ?

On balance I am a fan of P.A.F or 70s sounding style pickups though, and would rather use  Mules or Emeralds to get close - and then have a more tonally flexible set of pickups to express other styles that may 'take my fancy' later on.

I do have G.A.S for Emeralds though. As a player that prefers few (if any ) effects, I feel they would hit the tonal spot for me in my Les Paul Standard.

It must be said in conclusion however, that if you can only ever afford 1 set of pickups for your Les Paul or Les Paul -a - like, you can't go wrong with Mules.



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