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« on: April 07, 2008, 08:10:11 PM »
Well at last I had a chance to put one of the 'new' Celestion 10" Greenbacks ( G10 ) into my Classic 20.  I was taking out a jensen C10R, which I had been happy with - but it had the wrong impedance to stay in there over time. I mention this to firstly declare that I was comparing an 8ohm Jensen with a 16 Ohm Celestion - and so would expect a degree of variance even with a speaker of the same type. Also neither of these speakers is broken in, so what I was listening to provided reasonably consistent grounds for comparison. Please note that  I do not tend to 'crank' my amps - so someone else will have to tell you what the extremes of breakup are like. Initial tests done with a Stormy Monday equiped S.G. standard with burnished nickel strings. Later tried Fender '57 re-issue Strat, with naughty ( i.e non BKP pickups ) for brief confirmation of results.

I am used to hearing the Fender / Eminence / Jensen type sounds - and sure enough, before swapping anything  I ran the amp with the master volume full on - and tone controls / pre-amp at half  through the Jensen C10R to remind me what it was like.

 The C10R had a lovely even sonic balance across the frequency range, good presence - with clear if somewhat moderate bass projection. Picking dynamics on single notes and deliberatly induced  fret/ handling noises were less pronounced, but rhythm playing rang out openly and spacious. At the same volumes, the Jensen is not known for breaking up - more a 'wall of twang'.

So in goes the Celestion G10.  The first thing I noticed ( at the same settings ) was the immense warmth. For Jazz and Blues, this was a real 'find' .  The next thing I noticed ( which seemed slightly 'unreal' ) - was the  aural illusion that I was listening to a 15" speaker when running onto the bass response.  Not Boomy, or 'woofy' - just huge for it's diminutive size. The speaker was very heavy in the low end and lower mids and even at modest volumes you could hear that this speaker wanted to go into an earlier ( albeit soft ) break up. Surprisingly however, those fret scr@pes and dynamics could be heard in detail - even though the surrounding sound stage was much darker and in many ways more compressed than the Jensen.

Of course this amp has a modest 2 x EL84 output stage, so I could not expect it to sound like  a 6L6 driven output - but there was that paradox again , the really 'surround sound' bass response and note detail within this otherwise warm and 'intimate'  sound stage. That is when I discovered the spell binding quality of the G10 - I just wanted to keep playing in order to experience that lovely 'warm in the pit of your stomach' feeling - and really relaxing tone.  It actually made me more relaxed by listening to it, quite addictive !

I did of course at one point adjust the E.Q so that I was back in the ballpark of the Jensen, bass and mids had to be taken back another 25%.  But that was the beauty of it, the e.q. soon got set back so the G10 could sound all warm and vibrant again.  If this was my first taste of the Greenback family, then I was 'hooked'. I can however see how this could be a one trick pony ( albeit a very nice one ) - and perhaps beyond woody, smokey midnight blues tones - or early breakup saggy, sensuous 60s / 70s  Blues / Rock tones  , it would need a crisp Vintage 30 / Jensen / e.t.c to partner it in a larger cab.

I ended up happy with both the Jensen and the Greenback really, each for a different market - two useful tools in the same tool box.  The Jensen for Rockabilly, 50s Rock'n'Roll , Country and 'spanky' Soul riffs  - and the Greenback for the laid back.

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« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 08:35:17 PM »
Thanks for that :) Always good to hear this kind of review.
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« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 09:21:31 PM »
Excellent review - top stuff!

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« Reply #3 on: April 08, 2008, 10:36:17 AM »
Makes me think. Maybe I should match one Jensen C12N in my 2X12 cab with a Celestion V30.
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« Reply #4 on: April 08, 2008, 10:38:58 AM »
would go with the c12k jensen..is a warmer...more responsive speaker..and mixes well with a v30(also tried with a g12h)
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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2008, 10:48:04 AM »
The C12N is warm enough for my taste. I'd like to add a little bark and growl to my tone. I also like the G12H but I prefer the more vintage-y tone of the V30.

One question, BTW: Can a 50W speaker and a 30W speaker be wired in series when the are both 8 Ohms?
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« Reply #6 on: April 08, 2008, 11:06:06 AM »
erm not sure on that one.(just been looking I think so as long as same ohms)....the v30 and g12h work well together as well..thats the combo I kept and the c12k as a combo speaker
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« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 05:28:30 PM »
this review is really usefull, as I'll be getting a cab soon with a 2x10 setup, this has helped comfirm that the Celestion G10's are more suited to my sound, thanks!

I used to own a Fender Hot Rod 1x12 with a Jensen C12N speaker in it, and although it sounded amazing, it was very much a one trick pony. I found it very 50's/ mid 60's sounding.
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« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 06:39:04 PM »
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« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 06:51:49 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2008, 06:21:58 PM »
Thanks for the review FF, it is very instructive. This leaves me perplexed though.

Which of the 2 speakers is the most versatile according to you. I am mainly playing classic rock, break up sound to mild distortion, and would like to be able to push a bit harder with the FOD, and go the extra mile in distortion territory to play late Slash stuff and Alice in Chains.

The tube 10 currently in my amp turns to much too quickly. Which one would be best for me do you think?Or should I lean toward the Vintage 10?
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« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2008, 09:08:14 PM »
Quote from: Jazz Rock
Thanks for the review FF, it is very instructive. This leaves me perplexed though.

Which of the 2 speakers is the most versatile according to you. I am mainly playing classic rock, break up sound to mild distortion, and would like to be able to push a bit harder with the FOD, and go the extra mile in distortion territory to play late Slash stuff and Alice in Chains.

The tube 10 currently in my amp turns to much too quickly. Which one would be best for me do you think?Or should I lean toward the Vintage 10?


Hi Jazz Rock !

As I have not yet tried a Vintage 30 or Vintage 10, I would hope that the Vintage 10 / 30 owners  come back in on this one.

HOWEVER - to answer the first part of your question directly, I would say  that between the two I tried , the Jensen was more flexible - as it gives you more of a blank canvas to work on, and a nice clean / balanced canvas at that,  with breakup occuring later and tighter .

As I recall the breakup is more crunchy and edgy though - not as smooth as the Greenback.

You do say that you want flexibilty and Classic Rock ?  I can see how the G10 is pure saggy, warm Thin Lizzy, Paul Kossoff e.t.c but not how that relates to the idea of 'flexible' .

Judging by what I have read from the likes of  Twinfan and Ratrod ( to name but two ) - If faced with your criteria / dilema I would go Vintage 10 all the way. my reasoning being that Twinfan describes it as clean , but rock orientated - and he knows I usually play somewhat mellower than  that.

Ratrod also seemed to be saying  that the Vintage 30 / 10 does have a vintage vibe - and it's version of clean is less sterile or 50s/60s sounding than the Jensen.

I therefore assume ( until the other folk confirm /deny my assumptions )

That  :

Flexibility =  1) Vintage 10  2) Jensen 3) Greenback.

Classic Rock = 1) Greenback 2) vintage 10  3) Jensen.

There are some interesting sound clips and listings of 'suitable ' usage on the Watford Vaves website. I have not refered to them to formulate this reply, but they are interesting.

I will be watching this thread to continue my own education !

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« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2008, 11:12:52 PM »
Sounds good!  Most of the Celestion range looks fantastic.  I would be interested to heard from anybody who owns a cab with G10 Vintage, i am interested in this for the cab that i am gonna build myself this summer.  If it is like the V30, as the Celestion website claims, then i would like to either hear some samples of it performing more heavy music.  Does anybody own some?
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« Reply #13 on: April 10, 2008, 08:36:51 PM »
I think I am going to fairly soon. Thanks for the reply Fourth feline.

I was indeed afraid the Greenback was too going to be too raw and vintage orientated for what I want.

What you are saying about the G10 vintage does corroborate with things I read previously on the net or other forums. So I think I am gonna give it a try and see how it goes. I'll let you know how it fits when it arrives.

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« Reply #14 on: May 21, 2008, 02:02:54 AM »
Quote from: opprobrium_9
Sounds good!  Most of the Celestion range looks fantastic.  I would be interested to heard from anybody who owns a cab with G10 Vintage, i am interested in this for the cab that i am gonna build myself this summer.  If it is like the V30, as the Celestion website claims, then i would like to either hear some samples of it performing more heavy music.  Does anybody own some?


Hi there yes, I own a G10 vintage and it is indeed very much like a V30 12 inch speaker, now I have used it for a while, it keeps getting nicer sounding as it is breaking in. I have just used it at a band practice and it copes with high volumes superbly, and is defined but also soft, I have found it is very responsive to EQ on the amp, and also effect pedals, my band were very impressed, it adds a kind of warmth very similar to the V30s.

I'd describe it as tight bass, smooth mids, and also revealing highs, but also not too harsh, it's very well balanced. I'll be posting some clips of it very soon if you want to hear it?
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