From what I have heard so far, the Rocker does not have that 'sag' and it's the sag and looseness that I love so much, and as you said the 'chewy' like overdrive. It's that magic class A thing sound. Does it do clean but complex well? I only ever play blues jazz, classic rock, grunge, some alternative ect and never need to get into 'metal' or 'modern rock' territory, and I prefer a sound with less of an 'edge' in other words 'vintage' is the word I'm after, midrangey and WARM. I actually tried the Rockerverb 30 in a shop and also the Tiny Terror, they both were not quite what I wanted, but were still awesome. The rockerverb doesn't seem to have that complexity in it's clean tones, the Tiny Terror is not loud enough for serious gigs it seemed. I hate clean tones that are too clean. aka Roland JC120, this sound is my worse nightmare lol Hope this makes sense...
thanks for all your help guys!
bear in mind, I will buy a 2x12 orange cab w/greenbacks in it.