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new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« on: July 27, 2008, 12:54:40 PM »
hi there sorry about this ...still unsure on the pick ups to use for this and dont think i fully explained my needs properly..i am a 95% rhythm player and play the odd licks in a covers band playing music right across the board..i play mainly clean through either a orange ad30r or a marshall artiste..i find when cranking the volume up the stock pickups sound a little shrill and harsh these are gibson 490r and 490t...just wondered what bareknuckles if any are closest to these so i can definately avoid as they dont suit my style...also i know stormy mondays are most peoples answer to the 335 problem but with this not truly a 335 with no f holes i know it doesn't sound truly like your standard semi...i'm no blues player as i said so i dont want to confuse people in the suggestions for pickups..regarding the stock pickups as i have mentioned are a little shrill the neck is undefined with no bottom end punch just quite muffled to my ears where as the the bridge is quite piercing and sharp....confused please help desperate to make purchase but obviously i want to get this right....last question (SORRY ABOUT THIS)..on a standard 355 not 335 which this guitar is based on what pickups are on that as standard and what bkp would be closest to those....thanks for listening regards ....TC

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2008, 03:41:12 PM »


I believe that the standard Gibson 335 is fitted with a pair of '57 Gibsons.

The closest to these would be the Mule set, although others can chime in here as to what magnets would be best on your guitar.

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2008, 04:00:49 PM »
I agree that the 335 has '57 Classics, but they have Alnico II magnets (as do the 490R/490T) so "in theory" I think the Stormy Monday (or PG Blues) would be the nearest BKP equivalent.

The SM is clearer and more defined than the '57 Classic, IMO.  But don't take my word for it, there are some big fans of the SM on the forum who can describe it better than I can.
BKPs I've Got:  RR, BKP-91, ITs, VHII, CS set, Emeralds
BKPs I Had:  RY+Abraxas, Crawlers, BD+SM

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2008, 04:05:30 PM »
hi thanks for that...would the 57's be put in the gibson 355 model as well ...thanks TC...

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #4 on: July 27, 2008, 04:09:58 PM »
I think the only 355 available at the moment is a limited edition from the Custom Shop, but yes that also has '57 Classics.
BKPs I've Got:  RR, BKP-91, ITs, VHII, CS set, Emeralds
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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #5 on: July 27, 2008, 04:27:21 PM »
just to complicate things more i have an epiphone riviera made in japan in 1983..which i love the sound of but dont have a clue what humbuckers would be placed in that...also is there alot of differance between the stormy mondays and mules would like a nice bit of umph in the guitar but without it driving to early..on the whole just looking for some good punchy allrounders that are well removed from the gibson 490s...thanks again.. 

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #6 on: July 27, 2008, 04:29:52 PM »
just to complicate things more i have an epiphone riviera made in japan in 1983..which i love the sound of but dont have a clue what humbuckers would be placed in that...also is there alot of differance between the stormy mondays and mules would like a nice bit of umph in the guitar but without it driving to early..on the whole just looking for some good punchy allrounders that are well removed from the gibson 490s...thanks again.. 

Allrounders=Mules
Sweetness=Stormy Mondays

You could also mix them up, SM/Riff Raff combo or SM/Mule Combo
Calibrated IV Mules, Stormy Monday/Riff Raff

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #7 on: July 27, 2008, 04:41:05 PM »
Or maybe a Mule set with Alnico IV neck, Alnico V bridge.  That'll give you a bit more push and power than the SMs (I believe) whilst still remaining in vintage territory.
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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #8 on: July 27, 2008, 05:25:23 PM »
Probably one of your best bets would be an AII Mule set.  I have them in a semi-hollow PRS clone and they sound great in it.  I do have AII Stormy Mondays in my 335 and I love the sound of it (you can get the Cream Crossroads sound with no problems), but if you want that bit more kick, well that's what the Mule does.  I also have AIV Mules in my PRS Artist, AV Mule brdge with AIV SM neck in my Zematis peral top clone, PG Blues in my Goldtop, Riff Raff & AIV SM in my Tobacco Sunburst LP and Emerald with AIV Mule in my Zemaitis metal front clone.  So as you can see I like the low power BK humbuckers (I also have Black Dogs and VHII's).  But given all of this if you don't want Stormy Mondays, go with AII Mules in that guitar 
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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2008, 05:58:50 PM »
how do you think mississippi queens would react in the lucille ..

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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2008, 07:44:03 PM »
Stormy Mondays are probably closest to what you have already but you won't find any harshness in them.  They might be close in output and spec but they will be worlds apart in quality of sound.  That said, they have no extra push or ooomph so to speak of.  They are sweet vintage all the way so Mules (be it standard or AII) would be the way to go I think.  Got to admit when I start talking magnets I feel I will get found out for not knowing that much!

I have standard SM's and I swear by them but I can see why they are not everyones cup-of-tea.  But 335 or any Gibson semi + SM's I'm sure would = TONE!  I have mine in a Gordon Smith GS2 and it turned that guitar from okay to a lifetime keeper.


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Re: new pickups for gibson bb king lucille part 2
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2008, 10:22:19 PM »
how do you think mississippi queens would react in the lucille ..

Hiya T.C, 

My own observations ( and endorsement of the Mississippi Queens over Stormy Mondays on this occasion ) was based on a few factors that come even further to the fore after reading this second thread / post. 

I tried in my Tanglewood 335 copy the Gibson 498T / 490R I had lifted out of my Les Paul Standard.  I then tried the  Alnico II and Alnico IV Stormy Mondays .

 The Gibson 490/498 pickups I have (  and tried in the semi ) are what I understand to be the standard issue in a Gibson 'Lucielle'. 

With the Gibson pickups, the bass strings gained volume / balance with the treble strings, BUT  where of course a bit muddy and not very articulate compared to the B.K.P pickups .  The trouble was , that with the Alnico II Stormys in my semi acoustic, I got  flacid bass response due ( I presumed ) to the resonant frequency of the woods used in my 335 copy. Tim first recommended a magnet swap from Alnico II to Alnico IV, which was closer - but still no cigar...

I therefore asked myself, how I might get back  the 'oomph' of the Gibson pickups in the bass strings whilst enjoying the characteristic sweetness and articulation of the B.K.P . vintage range in the treble ?

For me The Mississippi Queens where the perfect cross breed .  Surprisingly,  for Alnico V bridge and Alnico IV neck, they are  sweeter and fatter sounding on the unwound strings than even the Stormys where !

 I double checked by playing my Gibson S.G. with the Alnico IV Stormy Mondays in - and my Tanglewood 335 copy with M.Qs in. Sure enough, the M.Qs sounded fatter and more to my liking for clean / bluesy / jazzy tones yet equisitely defined in both the treble and bass strings.

I feel the ' focus' and clarity of definition in the bass strings will be even more of an issue for a " 95 % Rhythmn player".

So, if you want the 'heat' / output of the stock pickups , with the unequalled sweetness and articulation of B.K.P, I would naturally recommend that you also go with M.Qs. As hot / hotter  as the Gibson stock pickups, but as detailed as the best vintage B.K.P .

The reason I posted my own guitar's photo in your original thread, was not to show folks my guitar ' just because' - but to kind of ask you if the cosmetic appearance of M.Q.s was something you felt you could 'see' in your own excellent choice of guitar ( I would love to own a Lucielle ! ).

I understand that my suggestion may seem a bit 'off the wall' compared to the standard 'semi acoustic = Stormy Monday' equation, but I was also really surprised ( having taken the gamble ) on how perfect the match is . It was after all one of the 'Tim approved' recommendation / choices.

The Alnico IV Stormy's sounded  brighter and sharper - ideal in my S.G Standard, and the Mules more 'middy' than the Stormys - therefore  ideal in my Les Paul Standard.

But for the Semi, it's now M.Qs for me all the way - and especially as YOU have the vari-tone switch on your 355 to optimise the potential flexibility of the fat / powerful M.Qs. 


( * Edit : I base this statement on the understanding that the vari-tone circuitry can thin out a fatter sounding pickup such as the Gibbo 490/498 or B.K.P. M.Qs - better than it could fatten up a lean clear sounding pickup like the Stormy Monday, however excellent the Stormy Monday is in other applications / guitars  *)

Bear in mind that M.Qs are also very responsive to pickup height, string choice, plectrum material , and other user variables - so a pair used in conjunction with the 'vari-tone' switching on yours , should be very flexible - from bright clear twang - to lovely fat slightly compressed notes that 'bloom' from under the pick.

You are however right to continue questioning, for whatever you eventually choose, these are investments in serious tone !  :D

 
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