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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #30 on: October 07, 2008, 07:14:43 PM »
Dude, don't listen Ed Roman

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or anyone who talks about the harmonic nodes and pickup placement.
1.  A harmonic node is very narrow, the amount of string a pickup sees is quite wide. 
2.  Harmonic nodes move when you fret the string which would ruin ed's theory in all but the open positions.   

Pickups get bassier the further you get from the bridge.  On a 22fret guitar you can put the neck pickup further away from the bridge so this means it sounds bassier or some would say muddier.  on a 24 fret guitar it is closer to the bridge and not as dark.... everything else being equal

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #31 on: October 07, 2008, 07:16:51 PM »
Pickups get bassier the further you get from the bridge.  On a 22fret guitar you can put the neck pickup further away from the bridge so this means it sounds bassier or some would say muddier.  on a 24 fret guitar it is closer to the bridge and not as dark.... everything else being equal

Further from this, why is a Les Paul neck muddy? In some cases, some may be, but not all LP neck pickups are definately muddy

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #32 on: October 07, 2008, 07:22:04 PM »
ah well... thats the hard bit.   individuality of woods, subtle differences in pickups/electronics/amps/cables/strings/plectri ;)........... maybe even just a difference in individual perception and expectations.

if i had one i found too muddy i would try other pickups and pot/capacitor values till i found one that worked for me

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #33 on: October 07, 2008, 10:15:07 PM »
Dude, don't listen Ed Roman

Ed Roman is an absolute tosser, which isn't to say everything he claims on his site is rubbish...

But I like the way a neck pickup sounds on a 22-fret guitar, whether there's a node or phase cancellation or whatever, I don't care.
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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #34 on: October 07, 2008, 10:41:36 PM »
Dude, don't listen Ed Roman

Ed Roman is an absolute tosser, which isn't to say everything he claims on his site is rubbish...
That's right, mate... But I still think that he should not be listened... you know, you can get confused and take as truth some rubbish think he says, as why the old woods are better than the new :lol:

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #35 on: October 07, 2008, 10:58:32 PM »
But I still think that he should not be listened... you know, you can get confused and take as truth some rubbish think he says, as why the old woods are better than the new :lol:

But didn't you know that:

(a) All guitars made outside the US are rubbish.  Especially ones made in Asia.  :o

(b) All guitars which don't have 24 frets, AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA maple tops and 700-piece pearl inlays are absolute rubbish.
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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #36 on: October 07, 2008, 11:05:30 PM »
i liked this statement from the page about the PRS's

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #37 on: October 07, 2008, 11:41:23 PM »
Phill: :lol: And all vintage guitar are rubbish...

Wez, trying to find a site about Roman that tell some stories worse than that... Can't find now :?

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #38 on: October 08, 2008, 07:07:01 AM »
oh.. i know there is worse!!

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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #39 on: October 08, 2008, 01:26:38 PM »
Sadly where Ed Roman used to share a few tidbits of useful info /gossip most of what he writes is a direct sales pitch towards his own guitars
He also shamelessly rips off other small luthiers by copying their work and releasing it as one of his originals
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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #40 on: October 08, 2008, 01:52:04 PM »
I met Ed Roman many years ago when he used to be in Danbury.  I was looking at PRS's and he offered to bulid me any style PRS I wanted - and give me all the PRS warranties!!
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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2008, 02:53:20 PM »
Just to be a pedant ;)


However, the VHII in the right guitar would sound the dogs doodles. Van Halen's original guitar I believe had Basswood body and Maple neck, which probably is what makes all the difference.
I presume you are referring to Frankenstein, which has an ash body.
Eddie also used his Ibanez Destoyer a lot on the early albums (You really Got Me, for example), and that has a
body made of sen (Castor aralia, or Kalopanax), although EVH himself mistakenly thought it was korina and mistakenly bought a light coloured mahogany body thinking that too was korina, thus building his black and yellow bumblebee guitar. No Basswood for Ed until Kramer.
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I found this article on why PRS neck pickups on their 22 Fret guitars sound dull in comparison to PRS 24 fret guitars.
http://www.edroman.com/guitars/prs/prsvsprs.htm

The Custom 22 pickup is situated in a location where the 24th fret harmonic falls. There is a node or phase cancellation at that location. This simply means that a lot of the midrange frequencies are gonna go bye bye because they are cancelled out.  You will get a muddy sound just like a Les Paul on a 22 fret model whereas the 24 fret version pickup falls off axis or away from the node. You will get a more clear lively rhythm sound.  The 22 fret sounds good for lead but at what sacrifice.  The 24 sounds good for lead also but on the 24 you don't have to sacrifice your midrange frequencies.

This 'node' is only applied to open strings, as you move up the neck, the node also moves up incrementally and therefore the pickup position makes very little difference. I presume it's only a problem for people who sit with their guitars bashing away at the open strings for hours on end. If this is how Mr Roman plays then, all the best to him and his 24 frets.
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Re: muddy neck HB in LP
« Reply #42 on: October 08, 2008, 11:03:41 PM »
Further from this, why is a Les Paul neck muddy? In some cases, some may be, but not all LP neck pickups are definately muddy

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Most Les Pauls often tend to sound muddy
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