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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #30 on: April 18, 2009, 01:11:44 AM »
he cares about building his guitars, he should act like he cares about people wanting them - youre going after a 2k guitar, and its a big deal to you. I'm not saying eh doesnt all told, but not replying to emails makes it look that way if a no-reply is the only info you get, and you have no access to 'the loop' to learn his quirks.

Dude, I get you.

But...Until you know that by buying a guitar from Doug is about the same as adopting one of his children then that's it... ;)

That might sound really weird but that's what it's like. I don't know how to phrase it without it seeming bad in some way, but Doug has a lot of attachment to every guitar that he builds. And, with this in mind, he really cares that it goes to a good home.

I know that the whole situation is a bit screwed up. I bought my B2 from A.N.Other (shall we say) and the first thing I did was to phone Doug up and give him the story. He was a bit surprised, but after that happy the his guitar was kept 'in the family' so to speak.

The money, btw, isn't really the issue. The prices for the work on the exotics is actually quite reasonable (UK prices).

I'm not trying to push anyone one way or the other, especially with communication because, for f**k's sake, I've had the bad end of that!! I'm just trying to say that Blackmachine is one obsessive guy pushing his psychosis on to people who appreciate it. ;)
« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 01:13:32 AM by HairyChris »
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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2009, 01:17:36 AM »
nah, shouldnt mention it chris.

did you not know that buying a guitar from doug should apparently be the same as buying one from argos.  If its not perfectly in tune when you take it out the box ask for a complete refund, a new guitar, and some vouchers towards your future doug purchases


apparently thats what modern customer service is about  ::)

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #32 on: April 18, 2009, 01:19:04 AM »
he cares about building his guitars, he should act like he cares about people wanting them - youre going after a 2k guitar, and its a big deal to you. I'm not saying eh doesnt all told, but not replying to emails makes it look that way if a no-reply is the only info you get, and you have no access to 'the loop' to learn his quirks.

Dude, I get you.

But...Until you know that by buying a guitar from Doug is about the same as adopting one of his children then that's it... ;)

That might sound really weird but that's what it's like. I don't know how to phrase it without it seeming bad in some way, but Doug has a lot of attachment to every guitar that he builds. And, with this in mind, he really cares that it goes to a good home.

I know that the whole situation is a bit screwed up. I bought my B2 from A.N.Other (shall we say) and the first thing I did was to phone Doug up and give him the story. He was a bit surprised, but after that happy the his guitar was kept 'in the family' so to speak.

The money, btw, isn't really the issue. The prices for the work on the exotics is actually quite reasonable (UK prices).

I'm not trying to push anyone one way or the other, especially with communication because, for f**k's sake, I've had the bad end of that!! I'm just trying to say that Blackmachine is one obsessive guy pushing his psychosis on to people who appreciate it. ;)

I appreciate that attitude 100%

hell, I do some lowly tech work part time (just to pass some hours outside my dayjob) and sometimes I'm sad to see a frakking setup that came together really well leave the house!!

I get it.

I just think that it would be way better if he pushed his psychosis on would-be customers in emails as well! (reasonably promptly ;) a few days to a week is understandable. Not the elite, but youre busy, I understand)
« Last Edit: April 18, 2009, 01:20:36 AM by MDV »

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #33 on: April 18, 2009, 01:39:31 AM »

He's an obsessive builder, nothing else matters to him, including what other people think.

Seriously, the best thing to do is talk to him. You'll know how passionate he is then. He's got a shiteeeload of quirks, and a certain 'you're into it or you aren't' view on his work, but he's obsessive about getting any guitar to a customer at his own level of perfection.

As a bonus, if you catch him on a good day Doug'll talk your ear off, for literally hours, about guitars.


Doug suffers with something that I suffer with too....
I dont always come across well in emails or IMs etc. but catch either of us on the phone or face to face and it's a different matter.

What will come across in a conversation then is how keen, passionate and obsessed we all are.
I also get a much better feel for what the customer/player is about from a proper conversation rather than an email

I have found that those enquiries that I only get by email often dont turn into projects (and some of that may be my fault)
But customers who have picked up the phone or dropped in to see me more often than not end up commissioning a guitar.

I have a mobile phone but I barely use it and I pretty much loathe text messaging as a form of communication.
However I am pretty much attatched to my landline half the day (thank god for cordless phones and headsets!)
You can exchange more ideas in 5 minutes of decent telephone time than you can in an hour of text messaging IMO

Also I bet Doug gets hundreds of emails from enthusiastic teenagers who have an interest in his stuff but dont have the money to have a guitar made  along with emails from guys who are in a position to buy a guitar .
How do you tell who is who - it's really tough and you could spend your entire day corresponding with people who ultimately aren't going to buy, when you should be making guitars.

Also if you can only make 1-2 guitars a month that is only 12-24 per year and having a hundred enquiries a month is great in some ways but no use as you will be turning most people away.

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #34 on: April 18, 2009, 01:55:50 AM »
Dude, I know.

My band's other guitfiddlist was pointed at you by Doug for fretwork/guitar $%&#up fixing, and we (bandmate & I) know that Doug wouldn't have pointed at anyone other then the best. It was a Carvin 7 string with screwed frets after an accident, btw. ;) Oh, and Feline fretwork is the nuts. I have an Agile 8 string that needs a visit!! :D

I have the recommendation after that job that the guitar now plays like nothing else. PROPS!!! I've played it too....

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #35 on: April 18, 2009, 01:56:17 AM »
Ok, this has gone too far

Who the hell TEXTS guitar commisions/ideas for builds to luthiers?

Or was that just an aside?

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #36 on: April 18, 2009, 02:01:26 AM »
Ok, this has gone too far

Who the hell TEXTS guitar commisions/ideas for builds to luthiers?

Or was that just an aside?

I don't get that either...

WAT?????
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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2009, 02:07:20 AM »
Wnt 2 bld gtr. how mch 4 thru nck nd bks in mhg bdy nd 5 pc mpl mhg nck? ta.


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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2009, 02:08:06 AM »
Wnt 2 bld gtr. how mch 4 thru nck nd bks in mhg bdy nd 5 pc mpl mhg nck? ta.



Bwahahaha
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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2009, 02:09:14 AM »
Ok, this has gone too far

Who the hell TEXTS guitar commisions/ideas for builds to luthiers?

Or was that just an aside?

I don't get that either...

WAT?????

I think jonathon was just commenting on his hatred for texts. But the thought of it has tickled me.

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2009, 02:12:28 AM »
Yeah, but I can just imagine some tard speccing a custom up via SMS.

Oh shite.
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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2009, 02:14:14 AM »
I think its at that point a luthier KNOWS they're dealing with a teenager that aint gonna get one.

Now I'm wondering if it has happened though...there are plenty of people dumb enough...

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Re: Blackmachine Waiting List Question
« Reply #42 on: April 18, 2009, 02:16:06 AM »
Thank fark I'm not a luthier....
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