Warpig, Painkiller, Cold Sweat?!

[henryericsson]

Hi!

I'm getting a pair of BKPs for my Ibanez 1527 7-string which is a basswood guitar. I'm aiming for a trivium & nevermore type of sound. What should I get for my bridge- and neckposition?

I want to be able to pull of some nice cleans as well on the neckpickup and some good sounding solos on both bridge- and neckpickup.

I'm currently looking at the Painkiller for the bridge and Cold Sweat for neck. Am I looking the wrong way?

Help please :)

Henry

[Roobubba]

Painkiller would be good, but you might be better off with a Cold Sweat set, or potentially a Miracle Man bridge. Cleans on the CS neck will be good, and both neck and bridge would be fine for solos with any of these pickups. The MM works very well in basswood, hence my suggestion for that.

Roo

[henryericsson]

ok thanks!

Think i could get a nice nevermore or trivium tone from those then?:)

[JakeAC5253]

Trivium and Nevermore have very different tones, but it's mostly related to differences in guitar and amp as opposed to pickups.  Nevermore uses extended scale guitars so if you don't already have one, look into a baritone scale guitar.  They also use ENGL amps now, but they used Dual Rectifiers for a good majority of their earlier album tracking.  AFAIK, Trivium on the other hand uses 24.75" scale guitars (shorter than normal) and LP body style.  I think that Trivium uses JCM 2000 DSL amps too.  Both bands use EMG 81/85 pickups, so the tonal differences are not really pickup related.

Anywho, enough rant.  I am thinking that in your basswood 7 you're going to need some low end, because the wood is not really that bass heavy, contrary to what the name may imply.  The guitar is also not extended scale, so some low end isn't going to hurt IMO.  Cold sweat bridge might not be for you, but it might not be a bad idea for the neck.  I am thinking maybe Ceramic Warpig in the bridge for the high output to match the output of the active pickups that they use.

[ericsabbath]

miracle man set

Trivium and Nevermore have very different tones, but it's mostly related to differences in guitar and amp as opposed to pickups.  Nevermore uses extended scale guitars so if you don't already have one, look into a baritone scale guitar.  They also use ENGL amps now, but they used Dual Rectifiers for a good majority of their earlier album tracking.  AFAIK, Trivium on the other hand uses 24.75" scale guitars (shorter than normal) and LP body style.  I think that Trivium uses JCM 2000 DSL amps too.  Both bands use EMG 81/85 pickups, so the tonal differences are not really pickup related.

Anywho, enough rant.  I am thinking that in your basswood 7 you're going to need some low end, because the wood is not really that bass heavy, contrary to what the name may imply.  The guitar is also not extended scale, so some low end isn't going to hurt IMO.  Cold sweat bridge might not be for you, but it might not be a bad idea for the neck.  I am thinking maybe Ceramic Warpig in the bridge for the high output to match the output of the active pickups that they use.

actually their diference in tone is more related to their different styles
jeff loomis uses a jcm 2000, a 5150 and a triple xxx as well at gigs, and never sounded anything like trivium
trivium also used dual rectos at studio, along with peaveys and other amps

I think the miracle man makes up for the basswood lack of punch and sounds more modern than any other BK model
I love the bridge cold sweat, but it's much thinner and more old school sounding
the neck version will work, though

[Alex]

If I might add:

Trivium have changed gear a lot. They went from 5150s to Marshalls to Road Kings and back to 5150-II (last setup). The last album was mostly 5150-II I think. They use Marshall cabs live though.
Add in the guitars...  if you watch the DVD that came with the last album, you see that Corey is using a 6-sring Jackson V with apparently a Seymour Duncans (probably the stock ones) for most leads. The rhythms I read somwehere were mostly done on a Dean 7-string with EMGs.
It is quite safe to assume that most Trivium records were done with EMG-equipped guitars to some extent.

Since your guitar is an Ibanez, bolt-on, basswood body and thin maple neck you could probably do very well with the extra oomph on the low end of the Warpig or Miracle Man.

[Alex]

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