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Lezard

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darkening a stormy monday?
« on: February 22, 2011, 04:46:56 PM »
Hi all.

I recently installed an AII stormy monday neck in my Epi Lp ( don't think i need to mention the spectacular improvment it made).But i'm having some problems with rolling the tone off, the tone pot seems to be acting more like a volume pot.

Is there anything I could do to have the option of darkening the sound of the pup? the clarity it has is amazing, fantastic for most jazz applications but i'm having trouble getting a wooly/mellow bebop-ish tone from it .

the guitar has modern les paul wiring (for now) w/.022 tone caps.
It wasn't a mistake, it was chromaticism, I swear.

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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #1 on: February 22, 2011, 05:06:46 PM »
Hiya,  :)

I would urge you to re-check the wiring ( including solder joints / splashover at the 3 way toggle ) and the 'offending' tone pot for heat / soldering iron damage to it's track -  as I have had the same pickups as you in a Les Paul Standard, a 335 copy - and an Ibanez AF75 - and in all guitars the problem you describe never occured. I could / can always roll the tones to the sounds you describe by about '5-6' on the tone pot.

I was however caught out in a very similar way whe 'transplanting' my Mississipi Queens between guitars, all looked well, but when I replaced the pot(s) all was well. I have also encountered self inflicted short circuits as the earthing braid / star grounding was re-seated in haste.  :)

The other option ( which I tend to do for different reasons ) is to roll the volume pot or pots back to 8 or 9 - especially on the bridge pickup if 'blending'.

None of the above is meant to sound patronising, nor does it assume you would not ( like me at the time ) professed to have checked . It's just that my own fault finding improves markedly after a good filter coffee !  :)
« Last Edit: February 22, 2011, 05:10:27 PM by Fourth Feline »

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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #2 on: February 22, 2011, 05:18:00 PM »
vintage wiring and paper-in-oil caps will make the tone control massively more usable, and for not much money
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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2011, 05:56:34 PM »
vintage wiring and paper-in-oil caps will make the tone control massively more usable, and for not much money

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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #4 on: February 22, 2011, 06:38:41 PM »
@Fourth Feline
nothing came off as patronising,your input is much appreciated and the filter coffee is now in hand :) . I'm glad to hear that it isn't something systemic in the pups,  I was starting to think that it was a symptom of having lower out-put pick-up with relatively low mids.

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Fourth Feline

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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #5 on: February 22, 2011, 07:42:31 PM »
Hiya  ,  :)

Upon coming back to this thread, I was also reminded ( Doh ! )  that I had ( back in the mists of time ) - re-wired all my tone pots to the 'Vintage' wiring spec that gwEm and Jonathan mentioned.   I however, went 'cheap' and used good CTS pots - but with modest Sprague 'Orange drop' caps. 
« Last Edit: February 22, 2011, 07:45:15 PM by Fourth Feline »

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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #6 on: February 22, 2011, 08:04:28 PM »
me too,the cts tone pots bkp do have a good  useable range , make my sm 11/ vh 11 all the more likeable.

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Re: darkening a stormy monday?
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2011, 08:32:31 PM »
It's Definitely on the top of the to do list!
the current epiphone wiring looks to my eyes like they threw some chicken entrails against a wall and copied it verbatum.
(being a tad harsh but although it works alright,it is a very ugly install)
It wasn't a mistake, it was chromaticism, I swear.