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Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« on: October 05, 2010, 07:14:20 AM »
Hey Guys,

Need some help with some pickups!

Ive currently got some Warpigs in the bridge and Im finding them a bit too muddy with my current amp, Bad Cat Hot Cat 15. Use to play of alot of sludge - dropped c stuff and it was perfect but tastes change.

Also dramas with my current neck pick-up, Seymour Duncan `59 - way to bassy. No treble at all.

Heres a pic!





I play sort of avant-garde-techy-jazz-metal mostly but also some post-rockish type stuff.

I use my volume knobs quite alot and change between the two pickups all the time....

So from what I've read I was thinking of going for a Ceramic Cold Sweat for the bridge - looking for a tight nice pickup  and
possible a HSP-90 Manhattan for the neck for those clean bright jazzy tones.

Would this be a good combo??

Any advice would be great.

Cheers.

peter.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 07:54:38 AM by brainchild »

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2010, 08:20:55 AM »
DAT LES!
1980?

guess you'll be fine, but maybe you want a "bigger" amp
el84's just can't get as clear through heavy distortion as a higher wattage amp
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brainchild

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2010, 08:27:01 AM »
DAT LES!
1980?

guess you'll be fine, but maybe you want a "bigger" amp
el84's just can't get as clear through heavy distortion as a higher wattage amp

haha - it is in fact a 1980. how'd you know??

hmmm so you're saying I wont be able to find some pickups for the neck that wont sound clear through the distortion....or bridge?

so is there a BKP thats sounds quite bright in the neck through the distortion??? - more than likely the volume will be rolled down on the guitar.

thanks for the input btw

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2010, 10:11:56 AM »
Hello and welcome Peter,  :)

I just wanted to warn you that the Manhattan is detailed, but very polite and very warm sounding, ( having an Alnico III magnet in ) so you might need to give that one a miss.

I left some comaparitive sound clips in the 'players' section some months ago, between the Manhattans, AIV magneted 'Stormy Mondays' and Alnico II magneted Stormy Mondays in an archtop - and the Manhattans, are by far the warmest; detailed in the upper registers, but not bright.  

This is a quick sample of the Manhattans , with roundwound strings - in an archtop:

http://www.box.net/shared/skpbqk3uhk

Compared to AlnicoII Stormy Mondays , doing similar :

http://www.box.net/shared/86ctkm0xlp

And finally, AIV magnet Stormy Mondays :

http://www.box.net/shared/nleg9v9341

The brightest / stiffest ' toothy sounding of the three being ( not surprisingly ) the AIV Stormies. There is more of a shimmer and  'Swoosh' ( as Gingataff wonderfully described it at the time ) on the bass strings, when the AIV Stormies are played this clean.

Meanwhile , I will have to leave the 'What pickup instead - for the Cold Sweat bridge' question, to the experienced Rock / Brootalz  fraternity - and Luthiers around here.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 10:33:40 AM by Fourth Feline »

brainchild

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2010, 10:23:28 AM »
hi there

thanks for the input - i guess the manhattan isnt the way to go - anything you could recommend for a bright neck pickup in the BKP range?  :?

edit: thanks for the clips! real nice tone you got there and nice structure of the songs.

possibly the AIV Stormy Monday then? i mean after all weren't the les pauls initially designed for jazz and the blues??
« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 10:30:43 AM by brainchild »

Fourth Feline

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 10:42:02 AM »
Cheers !  :)

I am only concerned that the AIV Stormies might get a bit overpowered by a contemporary / ceramic bridge pickup like the Cold Sweat - unless you really want such a degree of contrast.  Unfortunately, I do not have any higher gain B.K.P in my collection to compare them with.  I do remember hearing some rather nice, bright, open and 'snappy' Riff Raffs from the 'Vintage' B.K.P range though -  'Twinfan' mentioned them in another very recent " which neck pickup" type thread.

Beyond that observation, I / we really need the Rock players to comment.  :)
« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 10:44:22 AM by Fourth Feline »

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2010, 06:58:04 PM »
Could the MQ neck be a possibility? I'm not sure about the jazzy things, but I'm sure it will fit the bill on the post type rock things. What do you reckon, Fourth Feline?

The Cold Sweat is a bright pickup and isn't LP customs a little brighter in their sounds than LP standards? May just be me, but I'm not into really bright and trebly tone.
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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2010, 07:04:15 PM »
Maybe Rebel Yell's could do the trick. Or a Rebel Yell in the bridge and a Riff Raff in the neck?
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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2010, 08:17:16 PM »

Could the MQ neck be a possibility? I'm not sure about the jazzy things, but I'm sure it will fit the bill on the post type rock things. What do you reckon, Fourth Feline?


Hiya Mr Air,   :)

I was only hesitent about mentioning the M.Qs in this context, as they can be as fat as they are assertive, unless lowered some way from the strings. As a pair, this leans towards equilibrium, as the Alnico V bridge  bites it's way to a balance with the (relatively ) rounder / fatter by design Alnico IV neck.

All of which is great for a rather unique flavour of weighty single coil sounds that swell , gloss and grab the attention of the Amp's early stages - but I felt that Peter might want to hear something closer to your description of the CS neck in a custom, or Riff Raff type neck sounds, in order to feel that a truly bright and clear effect had been achieved for his 'investment'. Like the adjacent thread about the chap with a dark sounding Strat, I imagine a quite dramatic difference between what he has and what he wants might be required.

I will continue to read the evolving thread with interest of course, to better understand the requirement as it is explored.  After all, it's a real 'Holy Grail' moment when you when you get it just right with an aftermarket pickup, but detracts from your enjoyment of the instrument if you miss the intended mark.

My initial reason for jumping into the thread was more that I knew what the Manhattan was not - as opposed to the fact that I knew what a bright clear contemporary pickup choice was. The Manhattan is such a favourite of mine, that I would be dismayed to find someone had placed trust in it, outside of it's ability to deliver in an altogether different / bolder sonic situation than it was built for .  :)

« Last Edit: October 05, 2010, 08:29:21 PM by Fourth Feline »

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #9 on: October 05, 2010, 10:26:05 PM »
DAT LES!
1980?

guess you'll be fine, but maybe you want a "bigger" amp
el84's just can't get as clear through heavy distortion as a higher wattage amp

haha - it is in fact a 1980. how'd you know??

hmmm so you're saying I wont be able to find some pickups for the neck that wont sound clear through the distortion....or bridge?

so is there a BKP thats sounds quite bright in the neck through the distortion??? - more than likely the volume will be rolled down on the guitar.

thanks for the input btw

 :lol:
most of the deep tobacco les paul customs I've seen were exactly 1980
I'm trying to sell my '81 wine red lp standard to buy an '80 custom in tobacco burst (but I also consider silver, cream or natural)

yes, you can get clearer than what you have now, but I recommend you to upgrade to a bigger amp
maybe the hot cat 30 with EL34's instead?
the nailbomb and riff raff neck versions are quite bright
Riff Raff, Mules, Black Dog, VHII's, Cold Sweat

brainchild

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Re: Im thinking Manhattan & Cold Sweat for Gibson Les Paul Custom?
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2010, 03:53:22 AM »
thanks guys for your help.

after some more research - it seems as though i'll more than likely go with the Riff Raff for the neck and Cold Sweat for the bridge.

though the MQ does intrigue me...just worries me being that its a warm pickup.

im sure using both pickups will definitely give me a unique sound that I can play around with.