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Author Topic: Holydiver in a prs Johnny Hiland sig? (maple bolt-on neck/mahog/maple top body)  (Read 4349 times)

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OK, Holydiver calibrated set in a PRS Hiland.....all maple bolt-on neck and mahogany body with maple top.
What kind of tone will i get..is this set well suited to maple? Going for a Racer X / Iron maiden kind of tone?
How is the neck...paf voiced?
Im kind of looking to do someting in the same ballpark as a duncan 59/jb combo.

I was looking at the blackdog for this guitar but changed my mind. I like the clip of the VHII better but in warm guitars...
So i will get a VHII for my mahogany custom 24, Tune to Eb my guitar that have a nailbomb and Use the Hiland in std tuning to play various 80's rock/metal/shred
« Last Edit: April 18, 2011, 04:25:44 PM by nightflame159 »

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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #1 on: April 16, 2011, 05:34:50 PM »
I find that the vintage output BKPs stay good when playing with a lot of gain (for my purposes - YMMV)

I also play through Eganter stuff (m4 rather than Mod50) and they sound seriously good
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #2 on: April 16, 2011, 05:38:45 PM »
Yeah ive seen some of your vids with the recto module. The egnater is the best damn amp i ever played its so thick,warm and juicy...lead tone with the sl2 or eg3/4 is just amazing lol.

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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #3 on: April 16, 2011, 05:40:14 PM »
The Black Dogs stay tight at lower tunings and have sure enough mids for a balsy tone. Even Mules do metal well. Listen to Nolly's clips in the player's section.
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #4 on: April 16, 2011, 07:29:51 PM »
So i would have no problem playing metal with it. Great! Now anyone compared the blackdog neck vs vhii neck? Would the vhii fit well with the blackdog bridge?

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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2011, 12:07:32 AM »
The VHII-neck is reckoned to be one of the most musical pickup in the vintage(hot)league. Often used in combination with other bridgepickups. I don't know much about the BD-neck.
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2011, 06:18:43 AM »
if you're not a booster adept, forget it
without a booster, it's no near as tight as a ceramic model, and not even a nailbomb or holy diver
it's a very warm sounding pickup and low output
I have it very close to the strings to capture as much attack as it can get, and I still need a booster for metal
not a percussive model

keep in mind that Nolly's clips were recorded with an Axe FX, not a real tube amp, and any pickup will do metal well through that
Joe Kataldo's videos through the Mark IV are good examples of the pickups warm and slightly compressed tone
right now, I have that exact set (BD + Mule), but in a les paul custom

not saying it won't do metal, but it just doesn't sound aggressive and punchy through my amps without a booster
I felt that with the holy diver too, and it was a brighter and much hotter pickup (and my all time favorite model)
if you want a tighter attack with a low output model, take a look at the riff raff, but it's VERY bright pickup
« Last Edit: April 17, 2011, 11:47:24 AM by Eric Hellstyle »
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2011, 03:09:39 PM »
Well its perfect as im not looking for a surgical tight pickup. Im going for a warm blue/rock type tone but with some bite for heavy style if needed.
My prs is a Johnny Hiland sig. So all maple neck,bolt on, mahogany body with maple top. The stock pickup are good but too low output to my taste and too open/thin on higher strings so i want to keep the same vibe but with more power and compression without being a true ''metal'' axe.

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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2011, 04:36:48 PM »
Well its perfect as im not looking for a surgical tight pickup. Im going for a warm blue/rock type tone but with some bite for heavy style if needed.
My prs is a Johnny Hiland sig. So all maple neck,bolt on, mahogany body with maple top. The stock pickup are good but too low output to my taste and too open/thin on higher strings so i want to keep the same vibe but with more power and compression without being a true ''metal'' axe.

that's one great looking model!

but I'm not sure the dog will deliver more output than the stock pickups
I'd say it has about the same output as the mccarty treble

maybe you should take a loot at the abraxas or crawler
did you e-mail Tim?
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2011, 06:00:19 PM »
Im very interested in the crawler set but i fear it is too soft and dark for my liking. Is the crawler balanced in tone or is it a very dark bassy pickup? I want a warm but clear pickup...i had a tonezone once in another guitar and i totaly hated it.

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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #10 on: April 17, 2011, 06:35:13 PM »
Im very interested in the crawler set but i fear it is too soft and dark for my liking. Is the crawler balanced in tone or is it a very dark bassy pickup? I want a warm but clear pickup...i had a tonezone once in another guitar and i totaly hated it.

the black dog is dark voiced as well
can't say anything about the crawler, as I didn't try that
it's said to be a very balanced pickup
the tone zone is a much hotter and nasal voiced pickup
you should really e-mail Tim with a very precise description of what you have, what you want and what you don't want
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #11 on: April 17, 2011, 09:34:47 PM »
Through my 5150 it does Megadeth/Metallica sounds without a problem - and without a booster. The low does feel a bit "warmer" though, it isn't supertight, but the overall sound is ballsy and still very organic.
HOWEVER I am basing my opinion on a guitar that is already acoustically rather tight on the low end.
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Re: Blackdog for metal?
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2011, 01:20:35 AM »
On the Hiland-model (maple neck/bolt-on) I think a Crawler would make not an bad impression. I have one in my swampashstrat. It's growls very nice when pushed. The bass though is not supertight of punchy though, for me it's tight enough, I doubt it will be the first choice for metal. The Abraxas sounds more open then the Crawler. Both have a vintageflavour to the tone. I think for metal you could consider the Holy Diver too. One of the best leadpickups, big mids, but compact bas. Still organic sounding.
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Ok i modified my post..i changed my mind and im now looking at the Holydiver set for my hiland and will get a VHII set for my mahogany custom 24.

Is the Diver well suited to maple? and
How is the neck voiced..clear paf?
I have/had duncan 59 neck...nailbomb neck and coldsweat neck for comparison. I lik the nailbomb best and not so much the coldsweat and the 59 was too bassy/boomy and scooped.

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The bridge-HD excels in bolt-on guitars with maple neck. Thicker tone, tight bass, sweet but not dull treble. Great leadtones. The neck I don't know anything about, but it's hot PAF for sure. Though with enough treble to cut trough (alnico V is brigher then a AIV Mule or Abraxas-neck).
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