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lyonk55

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Heavier than a Miracle Man
« on: June 23, 2011, 10:42:03 PM »
Kind of an off-shoot of my SG pickup thread (here) http://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=24806.0

Basiclly, I'm not too crazy about the Miracle Man set in my Cort X-11. To put it simply, the EMG'd SG sounds FAR heavier and more aggressive than the Cort, but I want to use all that mahogany for something different. Pinch harmonics seem harder to get than they should be and it just feels a little weak. After fiddling with the height and so on, I think they just aren't right for this guitar - basswood, bolt-on maple and a licenced Floyd. Suggestions are welcome for fixes, but other than that, I'll be swapping them. So, onto the point...

If i was to swap the Miracle Men for a C-Pig set, would I get the sort of sound I'm looking for in the Cort? The alternative is to use that spare EMG 81/85 set; would that sound like the SG (with them in either position) or would I have the same problems I've got with the Miracle Men?

Thanks for any advice.

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #1 on: June 23, 2011, 11:22:33 PM »
The MM can sound pretty chrunchy and light in some guitars. It chrushes in les paul type instruments but gives more of an old school thrash vibe in basswood/maple. Generally very responsive to the guitar.

If you want to be sure of getting more low end out of that sort of guitar, and have high output, the c-pig is an obvious choice, yes, but also consider the ceramic nailbomb.

The EMGs; my experience there is quite contrary to popular belief; they will not sound nearly as heavy/thick/full in the cort as in the SG. They do respond to different guitars rather a bit, especiually in the low end and quite a bit in the mids (their high mid and top end character remains more constant from guitar to guitar than many pickups though, especially BKs). You'll get the higher output but I strongly suspect you'll be dissatisfied with the weight behind them.

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2011, 11:37:23 PM »
Yeah, if I was after that thrashy sound I think they'd suit me just fine.

I've got the idea the general idea of the C-Pig, but how would the C-Bomb compare?

Thanks for clearing that up with the EMGs; I've seen a lot of mixed reports about just how much they cover up the guitar's sound.

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2011, 03:58:33 AM »
C-Bombs a bit lower output, less compressed, smoother mids, not quite as bassy, but I've noticed that it maintains/imposes a certain level of low end more consistently than a lot of other BKs. Most of them in fact. For example, I've had a miracle man in

- Epi LP
- Dean Custom (Alder/maple/FR)
- Jackson DX1 (Basswood/Maple/FR)
- Ultra-shitee Hondo, for shitees and giggles

And it sounded massively different in each, from hammering, dense and sort of scooped in the LP to really thin, whispy and ugly in the Hondo. Different flavours of 'bright and crunchy' in the superstrats.

But, with the C-Bomb in the jackson, it was thick and heavy, much thicker and heavier than the MM. Still clear, but no lack of weight behind it. The interesting part - the same C-Bomb in my Legra MDV602, a guitar with rather a lot more low end than the jackson, doesnt actually kick off much more low end when amped. otoh, an aftermath or painkiller (which I've also had in the 602 and DX1; I havent had an MM in the 602) in the 602 sounds at least as bassy as the c-bomb, but much lighter in the jackson, as the MM did (more of an old school thrash sound again; bright and crunchy). You can probably expect it to be thicker and denser sounding than the MM in the less bassy guitar, but the output may not satisfy you if youre used to the 81, its quite a bit less. (probably not the wisest thing to say when I'm trying to sell two C-Bombs :lol:)

Lessons learned (through these examples and dozens of others) you cant really accurately predict how a pickup will interact with a guitar, and, the c-bomb seems to keep a more constant bass response from guitar to guitar, and its quite a bit of bass response.

I dont know about the C-Pig because if memory serves I only ever had it in one guitar (I think....maybe two but if so I dont remember what, or what it sounded like so its useless). I seem to recall that in that guitar (the MDV602, which has quite a lot of big, tight low end, but also a lot of top end chime and definition) the relative low end balance out of it was about the same as an 81 in a pretty damned dark, all-mahogany yamaha SG I had at the time. Massive low end for sure, but I dont know how it responds differently, if it does respond very differently to a brighter/less bassy guitar; if its relatively constant, like the C-Bomb or much more variable like the MM, AM, PK (and A-Bomb, funnily enough).

I would guess that your experience would be similar. That in the polls for the EQ charts on the site, the C-Pig EQ rating was one of the most consistent given (everyone gave either '8' or very close to it), I guess that the bass output of it is quite invariate as well, and will 'override' the guitar to an extent, as the c-bomb does. But I cant confirm or contradict that from personal experience, but it seems very likely.
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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2011, 06:33:36 AM »
I will second what has already been said and also add that the miracle man is really at home in mahogany guitars it just seems absolutely ideal in them.

And also that emgs masking the sound thing is a complete myth made up by those cork sniffer types.

in basswood i have found that the aftermath can sound thicker than the miracle man but again is entirely guitar dependant.

With the Pigs i have very little experience so i can't really comment

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2011, 12:38:09 AM »
Thanks again guys.

I would have thought the C-Bomb would been more variable than the Miracle Man based on absolutely nothing. Sounds promising. With the EMG 81 I usually have the gain at 5 or less anyway, so losing some output probably isn't something to worry about.

I'll message Tim some time soon too. Then the MMs will be up in Seconds Out.

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2011, 03:33:52 PM »
Whatever happened to the Uber MM? Would that work for this?
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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2011, 03:37:11 PM »
Whatever happened to the Uber MM? Would that work for this?

wat?
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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2011, 03:58:59 PM »
If i remember rightly it was one of MDVs crazy customs

it had a double row of bolts

and had a dc rating of something like 22k

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2011, 04:42:20 PM »
Yeah. Double screw pole 23k one off. Kieran had it last I checked.

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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #10 on: June 25, 2011, 04:56:00 PM »
Dark and scooped too?
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Re: Heavier than a Miracle Man
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2011, 12:43:16 PM »
The MM isnt consistently dark or scooped.

But this one was in more or less everything I used it in, yeah. Extremely hot and heavy; probably the hottest, heaviest pickup I've ever played (didnt lack clarity though; I mean it was a miracle man).