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Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« on: April 21, 2013, 11:35:20 AM »
Hey, guys - got a problem with this pedal.

When it's in the chain with all my other pedals, my signal occasionally drops considerably in volume and becomes muffled.  Doesn't matter if the pedal is in bypass or on.  Unplugging the guitar and sticking it directly into the amp gives the usual, bright signal - then back into the FX chain brings be back to decent volume and tone.

If I dump the Red Witch out of the chain, everything is normal, so I'm sure it's the pedal.

Does this sound familiar to anyone?  I've had pedals completely break on me before, but go quieter and roll off the tone...
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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #1 on: April 24, 2013, 08:47:10 PM »
From what you wrote I could think of a bad patch cable, a power supply problem, or an impedance problem between the Red Witch and one of your other boxes. I assume you already double-checked your patch cables and have a proper PSU, so it's probably time to find out how the Red Witch works when paired with each of your other pedals. If no obvious culprit, then start again but with RW + 2 other pedals, etc (hope you don't have too much stuff on your pedal board <g>)
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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2013, 03:29:36 PM »
I'm not sure it's anything outside of the pedal - it's been working fine for a few years, and with the pedal off the board and another one in its place there are no issues.

Anyone know any good pedal repair people..?
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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #3 on: April 28, 2013, 02:33:30 PM »
I'm not sure it's anything outside of the pedal - it's been working fine for a few years,

With the same pedals around ? Or did you change anything lately ?

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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #4 on: April 28, 2013, 03:15:07 PM »
have you attempted to look inside? if I could see a photo maybe I could help
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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2013, 11:14:08 AM »
I've had a few Redwitch pedals in for repair with a similar fault.

It's usually caused either by a dry joint around the where the bypass switch is soldered to a PCB, or due to the switch being defective.

I'd try resoldering the switch first and see if this rectifies the issue.

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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #6 on: April 29, 2013, 07:41:13 PM »
I've had a few Redwitch pedals in for repair with a similar fault.

It's usually caused either by a dry joint around the where the bypass switch is soldered to a PCB, or due to the switch being defective.

I'd try resoldering the switch first and see if this rectifies the issue.

Ah - awesome - thanks for that.

Will take a look and see if it's within my meager soldering capability.

If not - as Arnie would say - "stick around..."
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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #7 on: April 29, 2013, 11:28:29 PM »
I've had a few Redwitch pedals in for repair with a similar fault.

It's usually caused either by a dry joint around the where the bypass switch is soldered to a PCB, or due to the switch being defective.

I'd try resoldering the switch first and see if this rectifies the issue.

I had an EH Memory Man (with hazari) in for repair recently with the bypass switch on a PCB - what a ballache those are to separate from each other.


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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2013, 08:00:45 AM »
So, can't see anything obvious.  The PCB sitting on the switch looks OK, to my amateur eyes.

Can anyone recommend a decent repairman..?
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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2013, 06:54:19 PM »
So, can't see anything obvious.  The PCB sitting on the switch looks OK, to my amateur eyes.

Can anyone recommend a decent repairman..?

Where are you based? - sure there will be someone on this board who is near you who can have a look.

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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2013, 07:24:24 PM »
So, can't see anything obvious.  The PCB sitting on the switch looks OK, to my amateur eyes.

Can anyone recommend a decent repairman..?

It's worth resoldering the joints anyway.

Modern-lead free solder joints all look terrible to me. In the pedals I've worked on the bad solder joint wasn't obvious.

Part of the problem is that there is no mechanical connection between PCB and the pins of the switch, so you are relying on the solder as the conductor, which is never a good idea.

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Re: Pedal Problem - Red Witch Moon Phaser
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2013, 09:13:19 PM »
And as if by magic I've found a photo of the PCB from a Red Witch pedal after I had removed (most of) the solder.

What you can see is that without the solder there is no contact between the PCB hole and the switch pin.

This is not a good arrangement, especially as the use of the PCB connector and ribbon cable almost eliminates the possibility of a hard wiring option.

The cheap blue 3PDT switches used in most pedals are not very good quality and prone to failure.

They also don't like too much heat on the pins otherwise the red plastic around them melts.

This is a big problem with lead-free solder which melts at a higher temp than leaded solder.

Usually you are fine soldering the pins, but unsoldering is harder not to damage the switch.

Unsoldering the PCB here is a total pain, as not only do you have to remove all the solder to release the PCB, but the holes are through plated with tracks on both sides of the board. Unless you can remove all the solder then there is a good chance of pulling the through plating out, and now you have potentially a complicated repair (my guess that if you sent this back to the factory they would simply unsnap the ribbon connector and install another switch & PCB together).

Notice I've always said "unsoldering the PCB" and NOT "unsoldering the switch".

This is because it is the PCB that needs to be kept intact. If I damage the switch removing it, no problem they are cheap and easy to find (and I'm usually removing it because it's broken anyway).

If I damage the PCB, then you could be looking at a complicated repair.