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Mr. Air

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Sound sometimes dies in my amp - SOLVED
« on: October 09, 2013, 11:42:01 AM »
I got an Egnater MOD50 amp and lately I have experienced that the sound can die out. It's not totally gone as there's a tiny amount of very distorted sound comming through. Can anyone tell me what I might be facing here? Could it be the power tubes that needs to be changed? The problem will occur regardsless of which modules I have in the amp so I'm pretty shure it has nothing to do with these and their preamp tubes.

Hopefully someone can help me out.
« Last Edit: October 19, 2013, 07:05:44 PM by Mr. Air »
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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - need help.
« Reply #1 on: October 09, 2013, 04:29:56 PM »
Your power valves could be failing.
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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - need help.
« Reply #2 on: October 09, 2013, 09:14:30 PM »
Thanks for your reply Toe-Knee.

Tonight I experienced the amp behave in a new way as the sound was warbling between full output and almost no sound a bit like a loose connection or something like that. Then it was stable for a while before dropping to almost zero output like described above. Does this sound like a power tube breakdown?
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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - need help.
« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2013, 10:45:21 PM »
I once experienced exactly this behaviour with a 100w head-turned out to be the cable running from the pedal board out, into the amp's input..the cable had developed some internal breaks after lots of use, and with a new cable the sound issue was instantly resolved!

I'm not saying you wont have thought to try your connections first, simply that I thought I would mention it just in case it could be this exact and less expensive situation for you!

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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - need help.
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2013, 11:38:40 PM »
Thanks for your reply Toe-Knee.

Tonight I experienced the amp behave in a new way as the sound was warbling between full output and almost no sound a bit like a loose connection or something like that. Then it was stable for a while before dropping to almost zero output like described above. Does this sound like a power tube breakdown?

It could be. It could also be a loose valve socket.

just to add more issues it could also be the bias. I had an old Marshall that did this when it had been on a while. The heat made the bias drift drastically.
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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - need help.
« Reply #5 on: October 18, 2013, 06:39:04 PM »

just to add more issues it could also be the bias. I had an old Marshall that did this when it had been on a while. The heat made the bias drift drastically.

This is a common problem in older Marshall 50W heads (100W amps usually have a separate bias winding, although the 900 series uses a capacitor coupled supply).

It is caused by the electrolytic caps in the bias supply leaking current. Normally this wouldn't be a huge problem, but in a 50W amp the bias supply is derived from the transformer HT secondary via a large (typically 220k) resistor, so even a small amount of current leakage will cause a significant voltage drop across this resistor.

Worse electrolytic capacitor leakage increases with temperature, so if you are unlucky your amp can go into thermal runaway as the heat from the valves causes the caps to leak more current, which drops the bias voltage, which causes the valve to dissipate more heat which heats the caps further etc....

I often see amp where someone has reduced the value of the dropping resistor to compensate for the loss of bias voltage. This is of course the wrong thing to do.

The correct course of action is to replace the caps in the bias supply.

I ALWAYS do this before working on a 50W Marshall.

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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - need help.
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2013, 07:05:14 PM »
Thanks for all your help guys I really appreciate it!

I'm pretty sure that I've found the culprit and it was a bad cable, just like oncesolemn suggested. So hopefully my troubles are over.
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Re: Sound sometimes dies in my amp - SOLVED
« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2013, 01:55:36 AM »
I had this problem with a cheap cable that I bought a few years ago.  After being coiled up for a few years when I did use it again it was okay at first but then this same issue showed up.

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