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ashevilleguy

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Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« on: February 11, 2015, 03:11:11 PM »
Hi,

I am new to the forum...  I am looking for replacement pickups for my Les Paul, but wanted to get some opinions from you Guys.  I play 70's rock.  The heaviest overdrive that I would ever use would be like AC/DC Back 'N Black, so I am looking for a vintage, or vintage hot set. 

My Les Paul has some issues...  It sounds great on the bridge pickup and currently I have a Seymore Duncan Whole 'lotta humbucker in the bridge and neck.  The middle position sounds pretty good, but when I switch to the neck position it sounds flabby in the low end, not enough brightness, and is very wooly.  The guitar also has a lot of low mids and bass.  I like the mids, but it is so bass heavy.  I would like my Les Paul to sound single coil'ish in the neck position.  I am guessing it is just the sound of the guitar.  :undecided:  The pots were upgraded to CTS 550K and I rewired the harness to 50's speck.  It made a slight improvement.

I received an email from Mr. Fench and he suggested the Riff Raff set or the Stormy Mondays.  He said that those were the brightest and sounded more single coil like.  I have tried that Mules and they did not work in my Les Paul, however they did work in my Knaggs Keya and I love them in that guitar.  What would you Guys suggest?  just trying to make a more educated decision.  Thanks for your opinions and/ or comments!

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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2015, 03:48:35 PM »
With the low mids in the LP, the Black Dog is out, so is the VHII and Mule because you have tried that one already.
The Stormy Monday or PG set doesn't get alot of mention on here, but the Vintage Hot section seems to be a no go for you, except for the Emerald and Riff Raff.

So maybe Riff Raff set, Emerald set or the more vintage Stormy Monday set.
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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2015, 04:04:32 PM »
I would have to agree that the Riff Raff set would definitely be the right choice. I use a Riff Raff bridge in my Baileys 'Build your own' guitar and when played clean you will find you get that high end coming through giving a single coil sound to it. It's also the best choice if you're finding the guitar is darker sounding and will definitely help bring some life into it!

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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2015, 04:18:40 PM »
Hi Guys,

I was thinking the Riff Raff, so thanks for substantiating my choice.  Do you think getting the uncovered version provides a little more air to the sound?  I like pickups in a Les Paul to have covers, but if it makes a difference then maybe I should think about it.  I will go with the neck position first, so if that if it doesn't work, I'm only out the cost of a single pickup.  Thank again!

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Chris

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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2015, 04:50:13 PM »
There is a small difference between covered and uncovered humbuckers. If you have them open you will find you get a little more presence to your tone whereas if you have them covered the tone will be slightly warmer. Don't worry too much on this as the differences are only slight and to help with presence and brightness it would also be a good idea to have them unpotted.

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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2015, 06:12:42 PM »
I would have to agree that the Riff Raff set would definitely be the right choice. I use a Riff Raff bridge in my Baileys 'Build your own' guitar and when played clean you will find you get that high end coming through giving a single coil sound to it. It's also the best choice if you're finding the guitar is darker sounding and will definitely help bring some life into it!

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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2015, 06:41:49 PM »
Aha! A thread I can answer :smiley:

I've owned Mules and Riff Raffs for years, and I've just put Stormy Mondays into a Les Paul Traditional.

All mine are covered and unpotted.

I too think it's Riff Raffs for you.

My absolute favourite is suddenly the Stormies, but I've only had them for 24 hours so do take that with a pinch of salt.

I haven't had the Riff Raffs in a Les Paul so my comparisons aren't perfect (they're in an SG - a warmish sounding one), but here goes:

The Mules push the amp harder than the other two and feel "thicker". Mine are in a 335 but have been in a Les Paul. If it was the only guitar I had, I'd be happy with them, but it did take me a while to get used to Mules - I was expecting some sort of "holy grail" sound when I got them years ago, and was disappointed at first. When I'd got used to what they were giving me, I fell in love. BUT whichever guitar they're in has never been the go-to "let's do it" guitar - I always have to get into it for a while. I love my Mules, but I can see how someone might not get on with them as much as we all seem to...

Riff Raffs are brighter and harder edged and the neck is less "plummy" than the Mule neck. They also seem more expressive in my hands than the Mules. With the Mules, I'm playing the Mule sound, with the Riff Raffs I can bend them to my will a bit more. I played strats for years and years - so I'm used to getting 60s/70s rock out of single coils - I like guitars to be responsive to attack and guitar controls. The Mules are responsive, but I find the Riff Raffs to be more so. I love the middle position on Riff Raffs.

Stormies (and I'm still dialing them in heightwise) are bright but sweeter than the Riff Raffs. For me personally, it's a lot more pleasant bright - it's kinda my dream humbucker tone. When I want to get mean I can, when I want just good ole rock and roll but not too offensive it's easier to do than the Riff Raffs (I hit strings quite hard). The Stormies have the best string separation out of the three - open up all the controls and whack a barre chord, you can hear ALL the notes, both on bridge and neck. You can with Mules and Riff Raffs too (in comparison, say to 57 Classics), but then try it on the Stormies and you're thinking "hey! where were all these notes before?!!". But that's at the expense of output I'm guessing - they don't drive the amp as much. The thing is though, they're sounding just as "rock" with less apparent gain. For me, that's pretty much what I want... (I've been comparing the guitars for the last half hour, and I actually put the Muled 335 down with, umm, a "yuk!! too much"!!  :angel: :grin: - no wurries I'll get back to it!).

The other thing I love about how this Les Paul reacts to the Stormies is lowering the volume on the guitar - it goes all the way down with a usable tone. The Riff Raffs provide a "harder" clean sound when treated like this, which I find less attractive (but it does work well in mixes). I find the Mules can be a bit characterless when the guitar volume goes below about 4 or so. The Stormies I'm doodling with at the moment between typing sentences. I'm in the middle position, bridge on 2 and a bit, neck on 2 - and I could be playing a strat. Turn the volumes up, it doesn't get much louder, just more gain.

I've heard the Stormy bottom end is less defined... and I can hear this on the neck pickup on the bass strings. I think if you use much gain (I'm playing through something imitating a Marshall Bluesbreaker type amp running at full tilt, it is ok on this), but if you want clearly defined cutting bass notes from the neck with say late 70s gain, then you won't get them! You will from the bridge - it does squealy pinch-harmonic riffing best of the three (think Billy Gibbons). The Riff Raff neck, on the other hand, has always stayed tight for me...


SO - I think Riff Raffs. But if you have a leaning towards sweet rather than hard - Stormies might be it. If it was me, with what I know now, Stormies would be it... But I think Riff Raffs are the safer bet for you.
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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2015, 04:48:35 AM »
Hi Guys,

Wow,  thanks for the replies everyone.  Nice one AndyR, I really dig the descriptions of both pickups!  I really think that I could not go wrong with either one of those choices. 

I play a single channel amp clean and then use pedals to overdrive the front end, so I might benefit from having the slighter hotter output of the Riff Raffs.  The Stormy sounds awesome though.  Once I cure the low end of this Les Paul, I may try the Stormys as well for a different   
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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2015, 06:45:34 AM »
Uggh to ball of mud flabby neck pickups in Les Pauls. 

I have an A-Bomb bridge and Rebel Yell neck which I like but they're quite aggressive.

IMHO, the Rebel Yell bridge has a lot of R&R mojo and if you were to put a somewhat more polite neck pickup with that, you'd be golden.  I have a RY bridge and VHII neck in a short scale solid mahogany guitar and it's a fantastic combination.  In your case, something like an Emerald Neck would probably be better.

I bet the Riff Raffs will be killer though.  If I ever got another LP, I'd try the Mule neck / Riff Raff bridge everyone uses.

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Re: Les Paul Traditional Pro 2 Pickup Options
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2015, 08:04:51 PM »
Well I haven't tried the RR in a LP but from what you describe they should do the job, specially for the neck which does have something of a single-coilish vibe and clarity. Great pups with bag of punch and focus, not bass-heavy, and the set is very consistent (tone-wise) and balanced (output-wise). If they don't work in your guitar for 70s rock stuff then you do have a problem with your guitar IMHO.
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