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What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« on: March 19, 2015, 10:27:06 PM »
I've always been strictly a Mahogany player. Not by choice. Just purely I've always felt most comfortable around Les Paul style guitars. Well I have an ESP Horizon (Floyd-equipped) and I'm curious as to what pickups, in terms of EQ, are better suited? I read somewhere that maple neck-thrus are mid heavy, with tapered highs and lows, and that brighter pickups, with generous bass response, works best. I was thinking of kitting out this guitar as a versatile metal machine, but one with a weighty metal tone. I was thinking possibly one of the Black Hawks, and wondered if anyone had any experience with either the Ceramic or Alnico model in a guitar of similar nature? I was also thinking of the Warpigs, but after reading about the tapered highs, I assumed it would get lost in the mix with a maple neck thru.

Any advice would be great :)
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2015, 01:37:16 AM »
Well I haven't owned this type of guitar but the pickup I always see recommended for maple neck throughs with floyds is the Miracle Man

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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #2 on: March 20, 2015, 02:13:13 AM »
Hello there! I have a fair amount of experience with both an ESP Horizon NTII (Nailbomb set, regular-thin maple neckthrough tuneomatic) and an ESP Edwards AL 120 (Holydiver bridge, very thick maple neckthrough floyd rose). I seem to have different experiences from what you describe. I find maple has this very rapid quality to the frequencies that it delivers. It's not just the bass that is tight, but all frequencies come at you rather quickly, there are plenty of all frequencies, and it has an emphasis in the upper mids by giving a scratchy attack to the notes. This rapid frequency response and scratchy attack is what I would say really helps give the archetype ESP metal guitar sound that so many bands use. Downtuning will help reduce the brightness of the attack and loosen the bass but those tonal qualities will remain.

However, one thing to note is that the thicker the maple neck the more bright and bassy the guitar will be, and exponentially! One issue I had with my Edwards was that it is so damn bright AND bassy. I have tried a Painkiller in it, an Abomb, the original EMG HZ H4 in it, a SD Full Shred and finally the Holydiver. The pickups that work well with it really seem to have a controlled high end (Full shred and HD). The PK and EMG just had way too much attack and high end frequencies for it. One pickup that absolutely rules in the Edwards is the Holydiver. That is a match made in heaven (like waffles and maple syrup..... I had to do a bad maple joke) because the guitar has a huge amount of natural bass and tightness to it, and the HD just lets it sing and chug, while at the same time really helps control those upper mid and high end frequencies. The guitar rules at heavy metal and death metal, and really does well on cleans for a bridge pup. If the neck is thick, then I would suggest sticking to A5 magnets for metal, but if the neck is thinner/regular than I'm sure you can use ceramic pickups like the MM. In comparison, the Horizon is really much darker - it has a good chunk of tight bass but it is nowhere near as bright, especially when you let power chords roar, and has less bass, but it keeps a lot of that scratchy maple attack. Also, the Nailbombs just does not seem to like non-thick maple neck through guitars, and they will always emphasize the guitar's attack whether the neck is thick or thin. They work, but its not one of those great matches like with mahogany. From my experience with these two maple neck guitars, I think if you tried the Alnico blackhawk, A-Pig, or the Holydiver (in E, E flat, or D tuning) you should be a really happy camper. And have no fear, you won't get lost in the mix with a maple neckthrough, ever.
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2015, 09:00:10 AM »
That's definitely something Iwill take to heart. Thanks for the long response. I was originally going to stick a C-Hawk in, but definitely going to have a think about the A-Hawk, now. Do you think the C-Hawk would be too harsh?
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2015, 08:17:03 PM »
I would also go by BKPs video description of the differences between their Alnico versions and Ceramic versions, if you need a bit more bass and a more controlled high end go for the Alnico version, but if you need a slightly brighter cut in the highs and tighter bottom end choose the ceramic. Hot ceramics really help cut through muddy guitars but the ESP should not be muddy (unless I'm mistaken). I think you would be very happy with the Alnico Blackhawk.
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2015, 01:51:42 AM »
It's maple attack and high mids with through neck ability to support low frequency modes. It's pretty balanced in spectrum and fast in attack, assuming it's a good piece of maple. One of my favourite constructions, as it happens. It's very different to all mahogany, though, especially in set necks. I think that construction dull sounding and unresponsive unless made from excellent mahogany. You may find it bright and perhaps a bit overly 'lively'.

Pickup wise, it should work with pretty much anything; it doesn't, to my ears, need any compensating for in EQ. Bassy pickups will be bassy, as the guitar is giving them bass, bright pickups will be bright as the guitar is giving them high end and so on.

YMMV depending on the quality of the maple.

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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2015, 01:59:34 AM »
So what would the differences be between say: the Holy Diver, Alnico Hawk, Ceramic Hawk, Ceramic Warpig, and Alnico Warpig? This being in the maple neck thru? I was really considering something fat and responsive for soloing, but still tight and aggressive enough for riffs. As I said, Im just totally new to the Maple Neck Thru. It could actually end up becoming a favourite haha
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2015, 02:25:37 AM »
You want fat and tight? Also bright and dark and middy and scooped?

Seriously, you have to pick one.

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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2015, 02:36:45 AM »
You want fat and tight? Also bright and dark and middy and scooped?

Seriously, you have to pick one.

Ok, fat might be the wrong word. I meant tight, but thick. You have people like Michael Ammot and Synyster Gates who have a thick tone, but it's also very tight on rhythms. But I never said anywhere I wanted either middy and scooped...or dark and bright? :S I'm just trying to find something that works in a maple neck thru. As I said, I'm a complete noob to these guitars. I've only ever had experience with Mahogany guitars, so I for all I know, the Warpig may be what I'm after. Or Holy Diver may be suitable if the attack of a maple neck thru gives it a more aggressive sound. I'm just trying tolearn a bit more about tone at the moment. I wish I had the money to just buy all the pickups I fancy, and be able to pay my tech loads at a time to keep refitting them. But sadly that's not the case. Just hoping someone is out there who has experienced these and can give friendly advice
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2015, 03:14:51 AM »
I was emphasising that tight and fat are contradictory. Tight and thick, less so.

My days of advising a particular pickup are long gone. Use something a brighter than you're used to with all-mahogany guitars.

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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2015, 04:15:14 AM »
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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #11 on: March 23, 2015, 12:05:49 AM »
Did I say brighter? I did, didn't I. I meant bassier, obviously.

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Re: What are the tonal natures of a Maple Neck-Thru guitar?
« Reply #12 on: March 23, 2015, 12:12:09 AM »
Will that into consideration :) BUt you've helped a lot about the Maple Neck Thru sound. Has made me a bit more relaxed in terms of pickup choice, as you get so many people saying it's such a hard wood to pick for. I'm just going to bite the bullet and go for my instinct. If I'm wrong, then I guess I'll learn haha
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