Buying a new stack! Laney, Marshall or something else?

[_tom_]

You need a Vox!

With £800 you can get an old second hand Vox AC30 no problem! for even cheaper around £500 you can get a BRAND NEW vox AC30 head amp, to connect to any cabinet u wish, and the tone is well.... its ballsy to say the least! It'll knock you out. The Vox VC30 is an outstanding amp for the money also

Is it just me or why has no one even mentioned Vox or Orange even for that matter.

Because he wants high-ish gain and Vox wont do that? :P

[dave_mc]

Absolutely GOOD 4 YOU :)

Glad you know what you want and admire your dogged approach to choosing them.

I own a Rivera (seeing as you are having a sideways dig) but as you probably know Ben owned a Mk1 with 2 channels and no midi or reverb, however thats neither here nor there as the Rivera may not be my 'Be All and End All' last amp.

I applaud your choices as they are ALL good (NONE are the BEST however cos that is subjective) and my initial point WAS that Laney is amazing for the money. I did NOT bad mouth or put it down as I am more intelligent and polite than that, oh AND cos I know WTF I am talking about.

I generally applaud good music wherever it comes from no matter style or equipment and use my OWN ears and mind to come to that conclusion.

I'm guessing the rivera, and engl he had before that, just didn't really suit th tone ben was after.

I play a lot of 80's metal-type stuff, and I know if that was all (or almost all) I played, I wouldn't pick an engl for it (haven't tried that exact rivera, so can't really say too much about that). I need a more modern sound too, and I still like my engl (though if I do say so, the engl I have is one of the best engls for the 80's metal tone).

That being said, I wouldn't turn down a splawn quick rod- I'm definitely after one, if I can get the cash together, and more importantly the guts, to order something I've only heard clips of!

:drink:

[LazyNinja]

Hey guys, getting back on-topic.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320059476326&rd=1&rd=1

I know it's probably the wrong order in doing things but I bought this Laney cab brand new for £200 +20 postage I think that's pretty good (I hope). Now even if I buy the VH100R new it's still only 50 quid over budget. I'll probably take my guitar down to a shop this weekend and see which head I like the best out of GH50L, VH100R, DSL50 or watever is there.

I think music ground is the only place near me with any Laneys. Or Northern guitars if they have new bunch of second hand stocks in.  Anyone from Leeds that knows a good music shop with Laneys??

[Crazy_Joe]

Get the VH100R, it is amazing, Gus G and Dragonforce used it yesterday at the Astoria with Laney Cabs, it was an amazing sound!

[LazyNinja]

............I'm still in the search for the right head.

I've tried a few and did more research and this is the summary of my findings so far.

Laney amps, according to Musicground, has reliability issues, so bad they stopped stocking them all together. Harmony central reviews don't really agree with this. Can someone with long experience with laneys tell me if there's any truth behind this??

Marshall DSL/TSL are just fizzboxes so no (although I could only try the combo versions).

Engl Thunder seems good, but with footswitch it'll cost as much as VH100R, which I will probably prefer coz I like their sound (from recordings).


so,

It looks like a laney after all, so it's between Gh50L and VH100R

I have a favour to ask you guys with GH50L heads. Could you record a clip so that you go from clean to distortion without touching the amp controls? You could do it either by using the gain switch on the amp or by using your guitar vol knob. The reason I ask is I have heard some clean clips and some gain clips, and theyre decent, but I havent heard someone switch from one to another. I heard that the gain switch adds way too much volume, so just wanted to know how much.

Thanks.



and Merry Christmas :D

[Fourth Feline]

Hey guys, getting back on-topic.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih=011&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem=&item=320059476326&rd=1&rd=1

I know it's probably the wrong order in doing things but I bought this Laney cab brand new for £200 +20 postage I think that's pretty good (I hope). Now even if I buy the VH100R new it's still only 50 quid over budget. I'll probably take my guitar down to a shop this weekend and see which head I like the best out of GH50L, VH100R, DSL50 or watever is there.

I think music ground is the only place near me with any Laneys. Or Northern guitars if they have new bunch of second hand stocks in.  Anyone from Leeds that knows a good music shop with Laneys??

Hi LazyNinja,

When I was last shopping for my Laneys, The main Leeds (Yorks) stockist was Scheerers music at the top end (outside) of the Merrion Centre. They had a guitar/drum section upstairs and a very accomodating Geordie called Steve who would get stuff in for you to try etc. I therefore hope the upstairs 'band' section  still exists.

Regards,

FF.

[LazyNinja]

Hi, thanks FF, but as far as I know, Scheerer's don't do proper electric guitars section anymore. Upstairs is drums only I think. they used to stock pretty good rare stuff like Maverick guitars but not anymore:(

what Laney do you have FF?

[Fourth Feline]

Hi LazyNinja,

I attach pictures of the LH50R - II head I have, and the Matamp 4x12 cab I use with it. The cab is loaded with Celestion GT 12- 75 speakers.

I also have a custom fitted flightcase for the Laney head, it is that precious ...

Shame about Scheerers eh ?

FF.

[fps_dean]

Can't go wrong with the GH50L....

or if you have the money, a Roccaforte DRRS or Custom 80 ;)

[LazyNinja]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANEY-VH100R-100-WATT-DUAL-CHANNEL-VALVE-AMP-HEAD_W0QQitemZ190066244074QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hmmm VH100R for sale, but he says the pots on the amp crackle when you twist them. Is this a sign of the amp being mistreated over its life?

I asked him about it and this is what he said:

>The amp had new valves about two years ago - I got them from Watford
>Valves. I can't remember which ones but they were pretty expensive
>and weren't the Sovtek ones that it came with....
>I got the amp direct from Laney themselves and have never had any
>problems with it. The first person that won it I put the saga in the
>listing. The second time I put it down as pick up only & it didn't
>reach the reserve doing it that way. I have now readvertised it with
>the postage option and a lower reserve but with the caveat that
>because they can get knocked in transit I can't be responsible for
>this as I don't want to have to go through the same rigmarole I went
>through last time. If you are used to valve amps then you know that
>they can be quite fragile if you don't look after them - and courier
>companies don't always do this. I can assure you though that the amp
>works fine apart from the footswitch clean boost and the odd crackle
>from the knobs. I would not sell send something from eBay knowing it
>wasn't up to par.....As I stated - if you are anywhere near east
>London please come & have a look.

suspicious or genuine? what do you reckon?

[BloodMountain]

looks a bit suspicious to me... plus only 98.7% feedback out of 70 or so, which is high, but nothing compared to some i have seen.

[Canadian Steve]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/LANEY-VH100R-100-WATT-DUAL-CHANNEL-VALVE-AMP-HEAD_W0QQitemZ190066244074QQihZ009QQcategoryZ10171QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

hmmm VH100R for sale, but he says the pots on the amp crackle when you twist them. Is this a sign of the amp being mistreated over its life?

I asked him about it and this is what he said:

>The amp had new valves about two years ago - I got them from Watford
>Valves. I can't remember which ones but they were pretty expensive
>and weren't the Sovtek ones that it came with....
>I got the amp direct from Laney themselves and have never had any
>problems with it. The first person that won it I put the saga in the
>listing. The second time I put it down as pick up only & it didn't
>reach the reserve doing it that way. I have now readvertised it with
>the postage option and a lower reserve but with the caveat that
>because they can get knocked in transit I can't be responsible for
>this as I don't want to have to go through the same rigmarole I went
>through last time. If you are used to valve amps then you know that
>they can be quite fragile if you don't look after them - and courier
>companies don't always do this. I can assure you though that the amp
>works fine apart from the footswitch clean boost and the odd crackle
>from the knobs. I would not sell send something from eBay knowing it
>wasn't up to par.....As I stated - if you are anywhere near east
>London please come & have a look.

suspicious or genuine? what do you reckon?

I would say he's genuine but I wouldn't buy it if it's already started to have problems.  I would only buy something that was faulty if I had tried it out beforehand.

[Chris_G]

Hey everyone, I'm new here but not to Bare Knuckle - using a couple of Warpigs in a Music Man Axis... very tasty indeed!

I am currently using a Laney GH50L and it has been fine as far as reliability goes apart from the stock tubes which died pretty quickly. However, having used Marshalls and played through Matamps / Orange amps I have to say that these amps generally do not 'feel' very sturdy.

I had the VH100R for a while but it became too expensive to maintain (6xEL34!) so I opted for the simpler, 50watt GH. They both sound great but if you're going for a Laney I'd go for the GH50/100. You have to crank them up high to get a decent tone so not bedroom amps by any means, but I don't think they'd stand up to heavy gigging unless you invest in some high-quality protection (not always an option for us muso's!).

I've actually always hoped that Laney would make their amps slightly more expensive so the quality would go up. People are more than willing to fork out for decent equipment and the 'sound' of the Laney amps is right up there with any Marshall (unless you're going for a specific 'Marshall' tone, that is).

I used the GH50 (among others) when recording with my band, you can here some of the recording here: http://www.myspace.com/cambian0dawn

Chris

[BloodMountain]

NICE CRUSHING TONE!!!! all the more reason for me to find a GH50L  8)

which tubes do you use, EL34s or 6L6s?

EDIT: thats a damn awesome band you are in! my type of metal  :)

[LazyNinja]

6? I think its 4 not 6 output tubes. Anyways Im getting the VH100R for sure now the Orange Rocker 30 I'm trying out as a stop gap is pretty weak imo so I'm gonna go get it swapped for the VH100R.
The orange is too indie, too warm, dark and the gain is fuzzy if you turn it past 2 oclock and b4 that not enough, also NOWHERE NEAR as responsive as the old marshall I had briefly last week (that sounded great). Clean sound cant touch my Fender either. Really dont know what all the fuss is about with the orange. It does good Arctic monkeys and QOTSA impression tho I guess thats the kind of sound theyre meant for. My plan of cranking it and sticking an OD didnt work.  Anyways thats just my preference it just didnt click with me, might have been the guitar tho. Sounds a bit beter with my strat. EDIT: (I found that orange works better for playing leads but hates power chords. Sounds great for classic rock leads but its not what Im after, besides laney wil do that well anyway)


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Im getting a Genz Benz El Diablo with G flex 2x12 this week too!!! I really couldnt afford it but it was such a good price I had to get it  :oops:  

Fun week ahead!! :twisted:

I think I'm getting rid of the Laney 4x12 if the G FLEX is as good as they say, or if I want to eat food this week!