Author Topic: Looking for the perfect 90s metal rhythm tone - RebelYells (Read 4055 times)

hunter · « **on:** November 10, 2007, 06:58:14 AM »

I wanna play some 90s Metallica and have some trouble finding the right settings with my Einstein.

At the moment I have the mids dimed and treble and bass both around 2-3 o'clock. Presence 3 and Depth 2, it's a low volume recording.

Guitar is an Axis with RY set.

Speaker is a V30.

Not sure how to get closer to "that" tone, as I am not very experienced in metal sounds, some tips would be great.

http://www.thegutbusters.com/temp/sadbuttrue.mp3

blue · « **Reply #1 on:** November 10, 2007, 07:19:16 AM »

i'm no expert, but from my little know how, you should cut out the mids and boost the bass. the sound you have there sounds kinda harsh, you want something more, um, furry! i think the problem with any of of us trying to replicate the tones from recordings like this is that the original was about five guitars plus a bass!! and we reckon we should be able to plug a guitar into an amp and replicate it exactly! it's never going to happen, although we can get reasonably close.

opprobrium_9 · « **Reply #2 on:** November 10, 2007, 08:51:07 AM »

back off on the bass a bit, mids up a *tiny* (we are talkin nit-picky amounts here) bit

otherwise sounds fairly good

hunter · « **Reply #3 on:** November 11, 2007, 11:21:51 AM »

thanks for the help.

I thought maybe I just need to turn it up more for the speakers to move more air?

_tom_ · « **Reply #4 on:** November 11, 2007, 11:35:21 AM »

Yeah I think probably up on the volume, mids, and drop the bass a bit and it'd sound good. Maybe less gain as well. I would guess that most metal is double tracked as well to make it sound bigger?

ilÿti · « **Reply #5 on:** November 11, 2007, 08:42:45 PM »

I know that this album was recorded with two mics on the same cab. One at the front, and one at the back. The back mic was placed between the two lower speakers to capture a lot of low end. Maybe try doing that. As far as I can hear from the track, it's not really eq-bass that it needs more of, more so the "pushed air" bass.

JJretroTONEGOD · « **Reply #6 on:** November 12, 2007, 03:22:58 AM »

Didn't Bob Rock spend over 3 months getting the guitar sound right? They triple a lot of guitar riffs in metal, maybe that would make it sound bigger? I know he spent 1 year just on the drum sound alone, hence why the black album sounds so flawless.

Anyhow, as ever a great clip hunter, you've nailed the riff, the tone is close to the original, however i think more volume is needed and a bit more mid, esp low mid, as you say more air.

gingataff · « **Reply #7 on:** November 12, 2007, 01:01:33 PM »

I think Bob Rock used a method that's really popular on the Andy Sneap site. Put one SM57 on axis near the centre of the cone and another one off axis next to it. Here's a link from the thread that shows a pic of a mic set up this way http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/production-tips/221136-clayman-sound-5.html