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« Reply #30 on: December 06, 2007, 04:29:07 PM »
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Hmm, good thought TO, actually I'm talking more than playing if I'm honest to myself.


I'm guilty of this as well  :oops: I just find myself getting bored of playing fairly quickly these days, so I spend the rest of my time talking about guitars instead :lol:

I know what you mean, and I'm the same (x100), but is it something we should feel guilty about?  It's only a hobby after all.

I like guitars, I like customising guitars and I like talking about guitars.  I like playing guitar too, but I can't do it to save my life.  Why?  Probably 50% laziness, 25% lack of time and 25% total absence of talent.  So OK, I'll never be Richie Kotzen, but so what?  Other people blow their money on cars, holidays, booze or drugs, I'm entitled to blow mine on guitars if I want to.

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Going back to the original topic, I'm not sure if guitar players (or talkers) are necessarily heading towards metal or heavy music any more than they were before.  Isn't it kind of "natural" to want to rock out when you plug a guitar into an amp?  There's just something about the buzz of turning everything up to 10.

Of course loads of people play and love other musical styles, but I suspect most young guys who take up guitar are attracted by The Majesty Of Rock in some shape or form.  When I say that, I'm not talking about specific styles like of metal, hard rock, classic rock or whatever - just "rock" in a broad sense.  

When you read interviews with younger blues and country guitarists in Guitar Player, most of them were in rock bands as kids.  I bet even the coolest sunglasses-after-dark indie guitarists aren't averse to a bit of secret heavy riffing when the mood takes them.  It's in the blood.  :)
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« Reply #31 on: December 06, 2007, 04:32:44 PM »
I think BB King can say more with 3 notes than most of the current bunch of metallers can say with 3 thousand!...........does that show what I use my BKP's for? :D

I'm a blues into classic sometimes hard rock fan.  I did have a brief flirtation with metal whilst I was in Uni, but I grew up and realised that playing 1 million notes a minute didn't necessarily make you a superb guitarist.  Yes it makes the kiddies stop and drool in the shops, but who wants a whole load of pre-pubescent kids hanging around you whilst you're trying out some new gear?

I also have no means of recording my stuff, and to be honest am not too bothered about doing it as the guitar is my hobby.  I'm a far superior singer than I'll ever be a guitarist (I'm playing Don Giovanni in Mozarts Don Giovanni early next year to give you an idea of my standard of singing!).  I'm never going to be the next SRV or Clapton so I don't bother even trying......as long as I'm happy, and my friends who listen to me enjoy it then I'm not fussed
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« Reply #32 on: December 06, 2007, 04:42:23 PM »
I've had my run with metal, hard rock, classic rock, and finally falling into the Blues. I always dabbled with the Blues, but never let it completely take me over. I find it harder learning to slow down and actually phrase than to just burn it. Restraint is one of the hardest things to learn and is sort of unteachable in a way. I considered electro-shock therapy, but since I'm a wimp I couldn't imagine dealing with the pain.


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« Reply #33 on: December 06, 2007, 05:03:11 PM »
Some players play too fast and play way too many notes for me to be able to hear or appreciate what their tone is like.

I love to hear the sound of a note or a chord being struck and how it blooms and decays. Not against hearing either a melodic or aggressive flow of notes either, but some dynamics are appreciated.

It is then and only then that you can her the difference that different woods and pickups make IMO
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« Reply #34 on: December 06, 2007, 05:15:27 PM »
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I suspect most young guys who take up guitar are attracted by The Majesty Of Rock in some shape or form.
That's the majesty of rock
The pageantry of roll
The darning of the sock
The scoring of the goal
The farmer takes a wife
The barber takes a pole
We're in this together and ever-er-er-er-er-er-er
Woah-oah-oah-oah-oah

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That's exactly why I said that!  :lol:
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« Reply #35 on: December 06, 2007, 07:03:14 PM »
In my highly unscientific experience, I would say that the largest groups I see on guitar-oriented forums are players of, if not out'n'out metal, "heavy" rock-like music -- and also of blues.  I dunno if there's something in the psychology of these styles that also attracts gearheads. :)  But you see the same kinds of things if you look at online communities for, say, sharing user-settings for amp simulators and such like.  There are rafts and rafts of metalish and blues patches ....

I wouldn't want to guess that the majority of guitars out there are playing metal, but certainly a lot of their players are keen on tweaking their setups -- or at least talking about tweaking their setups :)
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« Reply #36 on: December 06, 2007, 09:57:36 PM »
I can't remember the last time I learned a rock song. I've been working on my blues playing for a while now. I finally committed myself to playing Swamp Pop at home. It's double the practice cause I'm learning new melodies that I have to figure out by ear. There are no tabs for Swamp Pop.
I find myself backing the gain down on my amp every few weeks too.

The music I listen to now is totally different than what I was listening to a few years ago. I find myself buying music that came out in the 60s and 70s. I just got the Beano album, which I love!

Not that I have anything against metal. I still listen to it from time to time.
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« Reply #37 on: December 07, 2007, 08:21:21 AM »
Speed is not the enemy of melody.

Speed is a tool USED for Melody.

Look at people like GG, and Al Di, some of the fastest runs you'll find on guitar, but still incredibly melodic.

I hate when people get angry at fast guitarists, claiming that they're lacking any melody, or any "feel".

Speed and technique isn't related at all to melody or feel, it's about what you play. Not how fast you play it.
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« Reply #38 on: December 07, 2007, 08:45:39 AM »
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Speed is not the enemy of melody.

Speed is a tool USED for Melody.

Look at people like GG, and Al Di, some of the fastest runs you'll find on guitar, but still incredibly melodic.

I hate when people get angry at fast guitarists, claiming that they're lacking any melody, or any "feel".

Speed and technique isn't related at all to melody or feel, it's about what you play. Not how fast you play it.


Don't know if your post was in reply to mine but I wasn't against speed
I merely stated that when players play fast all the time you don't get to hear a note or chord bloom and decay which is the tonal signature of any instrument in my opinion

But on the subject of speed:

I have plenty of records in my collection with very fast playing and was a fan of Malmsteen from his first albums too.  

Guthrie and Di Miola are fine players , but there are many plyrs who have speed but poor note selection.

I was even a fan of Vinnie Vincent in his day, and whilst I loved his riffs and songwriting his soloing was complete and utter tasteless wank.

Speed in itself is not thrilling to me, but the ability to go from 0-60 at the drop of a hat is. It's the change in dynamics that  does it for me and all the better if it also remains melodic in some way in my opinion
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« Reply #39 on: December 07, 2007, 09:09:28 AM »
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Speed is not the enemy of melody.

Speed is a tool USED for Melody.

Look at people like GG, and Al Di, some of the fastest runs you'll find on guitar, but still incredibly melodic.

I hate when people get angry at fast guitarists, claiming that they're lacking any melody, or any "feel".

Speed and technique isn't related at all to melody or feel, it's about what you play. Not how fast you play it.


Don't know if your post was in reply to mine but I wasn't against speed
I merely stated that when players play fast all the time you don't get to hear a note or chord bloom and decay which is the tonal signature of any instrument in my opinion

But on the subject of speed:

I have plenty of records in my collection with very fast playing and was a fan of Malmsteen from his first albums too.  

Guthrie and Di Miola are fine players , but there are many plyrs who have speed but poor note selection.

I was even a fan of Vinnie Vincent in his day, and whilst I loved his riffs and songwriting his soloing was complete and utter tasteless wank.

Speed in itself is not thrilling to me, but the ability to go from 0-60 at the drop of a hat is. It's the change in dynamics that  does it for me and all the better if it also remains melodic in some way in my opinion


I think if anything, speed opens up a whole new world of melodic techniques and licks, although it's as you say, the note selection of alot of guitarists is extremely poor, which is why I raised the point that's it's what you play that's important, not how fast you play it.

Alot of the metal sequencing which you see in fast runs, sounds terrible played slow - And that's not really as it should be. Guitar shouldn't be about awe inspiring with fast notes, it's the notes themselves that are important. Speed should only help you towards better melody - not take you away from it.

And if you're a guitarist that's reading this, and thinking to yourself that you know exactly what I'm talking about, and that you suffer from the same problems, that you have great technique, and no melodic control, there are several things I do when trying to be more melodic, one of my favourite, is to get a jamming track, and choose 2 strings anywhere on the guitar, usually one string, and the one either above or below strings, (however, string skipping is another brilliant melodic technique, so if you're more ambitious, you could try another set of strings) and then try play to a backing track of some sort while trying to play on only those 2 strings. I find that it's alot easier to play melodically if you reduce the pallette you're working with, and thus you can branch on from there, 3 strings, 4, etc untill you begin recognising all the key points of alot of scales and licks - Like learning to abuse pedalling of the major 7th in a Harmonic minor scale, etc.
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« Reply #40 on: December 07, 2007, 10:07:08 AM »
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I've noticed a high number of guitar talkers on many forums, not just this one.


As for the number of guitar players, and what styles they are playing? That I don't know about ...


Hmm, good thought TO, actually I'm talking more than playing if I'm honest to myself.



Surely nobody has got to justify being a 'talker' on a  forum.

Wilkepedia definition -"An Internet forum is a web application for holding discussions and posting user generated content." ...doesn't 'discussions' include 'talking'. If you are a 'guitarist'  can't you 'talk' about it?

As well as being an excellent guitarist surely TO, with over 4500 posts on this forum on subjects as diverse as Scotch, BKP drink up, computer games etc.etc, must class himself as a talker.
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« Reply #41 on: December 07, 2007, 11:40:07 AM »
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Some players play too fast and play way too many notes for me to be able to hear or appreciate what their tone is like.

I love to hear the sound of a note or a chord being struck and how it blooms and decays. Not against hearing either a melodic or aggressive flow of notes either, but some dynamics are appreciated.

It is then and only then that you can her the difference that different woods and pickups make IMO


Amen!

Also, some people should use a little less distortion. It will make the guitar's tone 'breathe' more.
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« Reply #42 on: December 07, 2007, 01:18:13 PM »
I agree with using speed at the appropriate time. In a tune, I enjoy a nice burner here and there. It keeps it interesting as a listener.

Less is more is a hard thing to learn. I also agree on the point of limiting oneself. It is sort of like writing an essay. You pick a subject, come up with a thesis, and support your ideas with excellent points, instead of just writing randomly.

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« Reply #43 on: December 07, 2007, 02:04:35 PM »
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I was even a fan of Vinnie Vincent in his day, and whilst I loved his riffs and songwriting his soloing was complete and utter tasteless wank.

+1!

...and beautifully put!  :lol:
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« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2007, 10:01:45 AM »
I would just say more teenagers use the internet and more teenagers play metal than anything else, all BKP's adverts in magazines advertise them as "50s tone".. so to me that suggests the Metal Market isn't anywhere near the whole picture.

But i'd say its definatly popular on this forum.