Help! - Too many amps out there...Need one for METAL

[jules666]

ENGL or Laney would be good bets.

Nice guitars them X-1s.

Is it pre-Wilkinson?

I have a one-of-two prototype F/SF model and I don't see any incentive to get anything else (asides a copy by Feline or WezV maybe for downtuning or a seven string version). Got Warpigs in it and it sounds incredible.

Its a very early model - number 155 off the production line so assuming pre.

Been a good guitar, some tuning instability when I first got it, but a move to GHS boomers on the string front sorted it out, plus moving from C to D tuning helped loads ;)

My only gripe is it damn heavy! :)

Nice one. How've you got it strung at? I use D'Addario .11s in standard.

GHS Boomers 11-50's
Tuned down a tone.

[opprobrium_9]

Modern Swedish Death Metal pretty much spells In Flames to me

Ha! They are no longer Death Metal, nor have they been since the early 90's, so what the band members currently use is moot.  Unless, of course, they used the exact same equipment then, which is doubtful.

I would second the ENGL rec.

[Henk]

Modern Swedish Death Metal pretty much spells In Flames to me

Ha! They are no longer Death Metal, nor have they been since the early 90's, so what the band members currently use is moot.  Unless, of course, they used the exact same equipment then, which is doubtful.

I would second the ENGL rec.

In Flames is the classic Gothenburg example, 90s trash + swedish death metal = gothenburg. Noodle knows his metal obviously :twisted:

I would second the Peavey option, engl or laney do not have as agressive heavy mids the peavey does have IMO. A good JCM900 or 800 head would do fine aswell, but will be more towards the trash side IMO.

I played in a gothenburg project years ago, i played a solid state Rath 130 head and made the second guitarist switch from his engl to solid state after a session or two because it was simply impossible to keep up with the huge wall of gore coming from my solid rig. We were trying pretty extreme sounds in the beginning though.

I played trough a multieffect into the Rath, if you keep playing trough the 8008 i would definately get a multieffect with some cab/amp emulation, i didnt need those because the Rath had a build in tube emulation which was perfect. On second though, im unsure about the 8008, could be it also has some sort of tube emulation.

Note though that i DO play tube amps allmost exclusively, but for really insane stuff, i prefer a solid rig.

[noodleplugerine]

Modern Swedish Death Metal pretty much spells In Flames to me

Ha! They are no longer Death Metal, nor have they been since the early 90's, so what the band members currently use is moot.  Unless, of course, they used the exact same equipment then, which is doubtful.

I would second the ENGL rec.

In Flames is the classic Gothenburg example, 90s trash + swedish death metal = gothenburg. Noodle knows his metal obviously :twisted:

Indeed they are.

Oppro - If he asked me Death Metal, I might've suggested another band, however he didn't, he said "modern swedish death metal" - Where the hell else do you look other than Gothenberg? :D

[jules666]

aye was thinking In flames /Dark Tranquillity / At the gates etc
Also like Children of Bodom sound, and still a sucker for old 80's thrash as well.

Just an amp that can produce a loud wall of distortion but maintaing good definition for riffing as well , I play rhythm guitar as well if that helps influence the choice. Was going around Youtube last night and the Engl fireball clips sounded quite good. Still a little wary about how a 60w amp is going to be loud enough....never had a tube power amp stage only solidstate/valvestate so may need to have a play on one.
The price looks good as well on the Fireball leaves me enough for a cab as well.....lucky I am not in a rush ;)

(Ordered a few more parts from the adadepot so hopefully be able to keep my rack running a little longer till I have made my mind up ;) )

[Roobubba]

Just an amp that can produce a loud wall of distortion but maintaing good definition for riffing as well , I play rhythm guitar as well if that helps influence the choice

Check out my sig for the kind of thing I'm getting from my 5150-II. Might not be your cup of tea musically, but the wall-of-noise-with-good-definition thing is what I'm aiming for. Speaking of which, I've now nailed it with a speaker change in my cab, I need to get some more recording done to show of the sound.

Oh and trust me, a 60W fireball is DEFINITELY going to be loud enough, especially if you send it through some very high efficiency speakers (see my speaker change thread - no up-to-date sound files after breaking the speakers in, so you'll just have to take my word for it - those speakers are AWESOME!). A 120W Peavey 5150-II is absolutely, without a doubt, categorically loud enough. And we play LOUD. :)

Roo

[jules666]

Just an amp that can produce a loud wall of distortion but maintaing good definition for riffing as well , I play rhythm guitar as well if that helps influence the choice

Check out my sig for the kind of thing I'm getting from my 5150-II. Might not be your cup of tea musically, but the wall-of-noise-with-good-definition thing is what I'm aiming for. Speaking of which, I've now nailed it with a speaker change in my cab, I need to get some more recording done to show of the sound.

Oh and trust me, a 60W fireball is DEFINITELY going to be loud enough, especially if you send it through some very high efficiency speakers (see my speaker change thread - no up-to-date sound files after breaking the speakers in, so you'll just have to take my word for it - those speakers are AWESOME!). A 120W Peavey 5150-II is absolutely, without a doubt, categorically loud enough. And we play LOUD. :)

Roo

currently my band are looking for a new lead guitarist our last one had to leave due to ill health, but he had a Mode Four and that was really loud, my rack had trouble keeping up with it. Hence my worry on the 60w level side.....Sorry if I come across as ignorant on the volume of a tube power amp, as I have always had solid state power amps.

Roo - If i was in your band with a Engl Fireball would i dissapear at normal gig levels or would you have to back off your volume, as your peavey is rated twice as loud?

[noodleplugerine]

An 120watt head isn't that much LOUDER than a 60 watt head, the difference is in the headroom, ie, the clarity at those loud volumes.

[jules666]

An 120watt head isn't that much LOUDER than a 60 watt head, the difference is in the headroom, ie, the clarity at those loud volumes.

just quite weird toget my head around as I have stereo 80watts a side power amp (solid state) which is pretty much cranked right to the top nearly to get over the drums, and keep up with our old guitarists mode four so 60watts is just hard to believe would cut thru in the overall mix.??? most perplexing ;)  :P

[Henk]

Alot depends on the cab, more speakers = more volume and for practive i have a cab of which the cloth is removed, makes alot of difference. The amp i used is 65w each channel and i used only 1 cab so 1 channel, didnt need to crank it above 2 oclock or thereabout.

The cab is greenback loaded and those can be insanely loud.

[Roobubba]

plus don't forget that tube amps are (insert correct and generic number, such as 3 or 4, here) times louder than solid state amps. My 200W Randall RG200G3 (solid state) was loud, but I had to crank it to get anywhere near where my 120W 5150-II is (although to be fair, it did only have 2 speakers rather than the 4 I have now!).

I would guestimate that a 60W Fireball would keep up EASILY in the band mix - especially if you're putting it through a 4 x 12" cab of high efficiency speakers, as I mentioned above: 60W of tube power is a LOT :)

Also don't get misled into thinking that, all other things being equal, 60W is half as loud as 120W. It isn't, and besides, all other things are rarely equal.

My advice is still to go for the 5150-II (6505+), though, but I'm biased because I want to have my amp's children.

Roo

[opprobrium_9]

Modern Swedish Death Metal pretty much spells In Flames to me

Ha! They are no longer Death Metal, nor have they been since the early 90's, so what the band members currently use is moot.  Unless, of course, they used the exact same equipment then, which is doubtful.

I would second the ENGL rec.

In Flames is the classic Gothenburg example, 90s trash + swedish death metal = gothenburg. Noodle knows his metal obviously :twisted:

You are quite obviously missing my point.  Death Metal In Flames has not been modern since '96, that distinction is now antiquated and the band THEN belonged to a tradition not only seen in Gothenburg Death, but most Swedish Metal, which is the tradition of melody line infusion, or more specifically, RELIANCE.  This ranges from the saccharine Gothenburg to the melodically driven Swedish Black/Death such as Dissection and Sacramentum.  This was a progression of the trend spawned by NWOBHM and later Heavy and Speed Metal - Key example (and one huge influence on the Gothenburg persuasion in particular) being Iron Maiden among many of their contemporaries.  

The structure of much of the Gothenburg style rode on a much more loosely based Death Metal construction and a ball-less adaptation of Thrash - with the exception of early At the Gates and possibly a few others.  Today, Sweden continues to spew forth more and more melodically driven METAL bands (but not In Flames - metal being the key word there), Black Metal and Death Metal alike - a great one being the old school revival band Bloodbath (can't go wrong with a bit of Dan Swano).  So no, In Flames is not modern Death Metal, and their current output is not even Metal, so as i said before whatever the band currently uses is moot unless it is the exact same equipment that they used to record Lunar Strain and The Jester Race (though the latter is wandering outside of the Death Metal arena already).

[maverickf1jockey]

Just an amp that can produce a loud wall of distortion but maintaing good definition for riffing as well , I play rhythm guitar as well if that helps influence the choice

Check out my sig for the kind of thing I'm getting from my 5150-II. Might not be your cup of tea musically, but the wall-of-noise-with-good-definition thing is what I'm aiming for. Speaking of which, I've now nailed it with a speaker change in my cab, I need to get some more recording done to show of the sound.

Oh and trust me, a 60W fireball is DEFINITELY going to be loud enough, especially if you send it through some very high efficiency speakers (see my speaker change thread - no up-to-date sound files after breaking the speakers in, so you'll just have to take my word for it - those speakers are AWESOME!). A 120W Peavey 5150-II is absolutely, without a doubt, categorically loud enough. And we play LOUD. :)

Roo

currently my band are looking for a new lead guitarist our last one had to leave due to ill health, but he had a Mode Four and that was really loud, my rack had trouble keeping up with it. Hence my worry on the 60w level side.....Sorry if I come across as ignorant on the volume of a tube power amp, as I have always had solid state power amps.

Roo - If i was in your band with a Engl Fireball would i dissapear at normal gig levels or would you have to back off your volume, as your peavey is rated twice as loud?

Were are you? Seeing as you are on a music site you may as well have a shout out.

That and I need to get into a band situation...

[noodleplugerine]

Modern Swedish Death Metal pretty much spells In Flames to me

Ha! They are no longer Death Metal, nor have they been since the early 90's, so what the band members currently use is moot.  Unless, of course, they used the exact same equipment then, which is doubtful.

I would second the ENGL rec.

In Flames is the classic Gothenburg example, 90s trash + swedish death metal = gothenburg. Noodle knows his metal obviously :twisted:

You are quite obviously missing my point.  Death Metal In Flames has not been modern since '96, that distinction is now antiquated and the band THEN belonged to a tradition not only seen in Gothenburg Death, but most Swedish Metal, which is the tradition of melody line infusion, or more specifically, RELIANCE.  This ranges from the saccharine Gothenburg to the melodically driven Swedish Black/Death such as Dissection and Sacramentum.  This was a progression of the trend spawned by NWOBHM and later Heavy and Speed Metal - Key example (and one huge influence on the Gothenburg persuasion in particular) being Iron Maiden among many of their contemporaries.  

The structure of much of the Gothenburg style rode on a much more loosely based Death Metal construction and a ball-less adaptation of Thrash - with the exception of early At the Gates and possibly a few others.  Today, Sweden continues to spew forth more and more melodically driven METAL bands (but not In Flames - metal being the key word there), Black Metal and Death Metal alike - a great one being the old school revival band Bloodbath (can't go wrong with a bit of Dan Swano).  So no, In Flames is not modern Death Metal, and their current output is not even Metal, so as i said before whatever the band currently uses is moot unless it is the exact same equipment that they used to record Lunar Strain and The Jester Race (though the latter is wandering outside of the Death Metal arena already).

What the hell are you on about?

The guy even said himself he's asking for In Flames, and Dark Tranquility tones.

Don't give some load of bullshitee about genres, who is to say your definition is right, and mine wrong?

[jules666]

Were are you? Seeing as you are on a music site you may as well have a shout out.

That and I need to get into a band situation...

In Basingstoke, Hampshire.