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[MDV]

I thought it wasnt bright enough  :?

Anyway, some compression and EQing and a different kick drum gives:

http://www.4shared.com/file/34254049/3cc06509/Memento_Mori-Intro_clip_Tone_Test-02.html

Which seems to be the best I can polish the turd I recorded with my (extremely limited) knowledge of production. Any thoughts?

[Pale Rider]

I liked the 2nd one better. I think it needs a bassline to fill too.

What mic/sound card/speakers do you use?

That might be the case of the quality change from the sound you hear to the sound of the file.

Also the position of the mic. You can experiment with it as there is no right or wrong way for doing it.

I also made some recordings before and tried to do the mixing and mastering by using the tyical gaming speaker set (2+subwoofer). Awful result. All the tracks lacked low end. Once I was hearing to much of it from the woofer I turned it down...lol

The speakers are essential for this kind of work. Only neutral studio monitors can do it.;)

Just don't let this let you down. The only way to achieve the sound you hear live, is to have the proper equipment and the right mic and mic position and you won't even need to EQ anything. ;)

I hope that helped....a bit....:)

[MDV]

I think it needs a bassline, too. I've been thinking about that (and spent the last couple of hours hunting down parts of songs that I like the sound of where they break down to just the guitar and analysing the tone, and I've concluded it needs a bass! But thats OK, I have a bass. I'll probably have to DI it, but I have one)

That setup was

TSL602 amp

SM57 and MD421 mics (both at once, doubled and panned hard left and right)

EMU1616M souncard

Adam A7 monitors (;))

It sounds cr@p to me too! I could use the refferences of other people listening to it and advice from people that know much more than me.

I'm quite confident that my gear can deliver a good sound. I just need to find it. Then superglue all the dials invloved in place, put sandbags on the bottom of the mic stands, and cake the stand joints in cement.

I have various cunning plans, though, and will hit it again tomorrow  :twisted:  :twisted:

I close miced it, the MD421 dead centre, the 57 centre off axis. I'll try sticking a mic where it sounds good to my ears. I havent really mucked about with that yet, thanks for reminding me!

I also stuck the amp on polystyrene blocks that my hifi amp came packed in  :lol: If nothing else I can hear the sound out of the amp more accurately cos I'm not getting as much reflection off the floor.

[Pale Rider]

Yeah. That setup can definitely deliver a good sound. It is a matter of time then.;) Just mess around haha.

Carry on! :)

[opprobrium_9]

I thought it wasnt bright enough  :?

Anyway, some compression and EQing and a different kick drum gives:

http://www.4shared.com/file/34254049/3cc06509/Memento_Mori-Intro_clip_Tone_Test-02.html

Which seems to be the best I can polish the turd I recorded with my (extremely limited) knowledge of production. Any thoughts?

This one was so much better than the pod version.  Yeah, i do agree it needs bass, but i don't think that is really what the problem is.  I think the problem is there is way too much mud.  The tone is nice enough, but there is no clarity and, even still a bigger problem, the sound ins't what one might call "big", if that makes sense.  It doesn't sound in the least bit as huge as it should.  I don't know what to tell you, about what is going on now, but i would say the last resort being a new mic?

[dave_mc]

I thought it wasnt bright enough  :?

Anyway, some compression and EQing and a different kick drum gives:

http://www.4shared.com/file/34254049/3cc06509/Memento_Mori-Intro_clip_Tone_Test-02.html

Which seems to be the best I can polish the turd I recorded with my (extremely limited) knowledge of production. Any thoughts?

:lol:

to be fair, i hate treble.

not too sure about that newest one... it sounds kinda similar to the pod. i liked the second one, though as i said, perhaps a little too bright (for the genre). but definitely sounded "good".

[HTH AMPS]

I thought it wasnt bright enough  :?

Anyway, some compression and EQing and a different kick drum gives:

http://www.4shared.com/file/34254049/3cc06509/Memento_Mori-Intro_clip_Tone_Test-02.html

Which seems to be the best I can polish the turd I recorded with my (extremely limited) knowledge of production. Any thoughts?

Can you post the seperate files for the drums and guitar parts?

I don't think it's the guitar muddying the mix - the drums are quite muffled and confusing the low end.  

For metal drums with that punch in the low end and slap in the high end you essentially want a sucked-mids EQ.  Try cutting the drums around 2-3KHz (3dB should do it).  A boost at 250Hz gives you a solid bass 'note' rather than just bass rumble.  A boost around 5-7KHz will give you that 'click' you hear on the kick drum on Pantera records.

This website seems pretty good from the five minutes I've spent looking... http://homerecording.about.com/

[sambo]

I thought that was pretty excellent mate.

But two problems with my opinion on that;

1.) I'm about as familiar with metal tone as I am with quantum physics (read; not very)

2.) I know shitee all about recording.

:D


Anyway, do something that HTH mentioned to the drums; just the mention of that sweet, SWEET Pantera kickdrum made me dig out the old Pantera tunes.

[MDV]

Y'know, I've been doing it again today trying to get the tone clear on its own, every note intelligable, and while its a LONG way from the sound I'd like Ive managed to get the fast low B's (its drop B, btw) to sound fairly separate and clear.

Then I recorded some bass (very badly, one take, just for the frequencies) and EQ'd the $%&# out of it, cos its a cr@ppy encore and I DI'd it.

So far so good. The bass filled out the frequency spectra nicely, and gave it some real band-feel heaviness.

Then I brought the drums back in and all that was left of the PMs is a snappy high mid. No depth, no body, no gutsy guitar. Take out the kick and its fine (as far as the sound allows). Put the kick back in slowly and I heard its in almost exactly the same frequencies as the low end of the guitar, and they both blend and get lost.

So, HTH, I believe you are completely right. Thank you VERY MUCH for the advice about EQing the kick, I've been hearing the differnce between my dull lifeless, muddy kick and the ones I know and love all evening, but knowing what frequencies to go for is a big help!

I'll bounce the drums down so I can manipulate them and sort this cr@p out!  :D

Plus, I have high hopes of my engl screamer giving a better sound when I re-valve it later this week. It hasnt been itself for a few months now  

And cheers, Sambo and dave! I appreciate it!

[HTH AMPS]

post the drums by themself and I'll have a go at EQ'ing them - I'll ideally need the kick, snare and overheads seperate.

[MDV]

HTH youre a $%&#ing star!

I just had my first week back at work, and it felt like a month so I'm gonna spend some quality time with some beer and bash a guitar for pure fun, like the good old days, and I'll post up the drums and guitars seperately tomorrow!

 :D

[Pale Rider]

If you have the tracks separate you can track down the frequencies you like by making a narrow (not very) and tall EQ peak and move it across the frequency spectrum while listening carefully. When you find them, adjust the frequencies you like and those you don't as desired (not TOO much though).

However there are some basic "rules" like HTH said above. ;)

Ideally you sould have separate frequency bands for each instrument to have them all sound clearly, or by cutting the frequencies of an instrument that blends with another.

Good luck and have fun! :)