Author Topic: SGs and LPs (Read 17270 times)

Scotty477 · « **Reply #105 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:05:31 PM »

I'm not being anti PRS but for the life of me I can't understand why an established company who has established such a good reputation chose to copy a rival company's design.

I know about the single cut lawsuit but I'm not talking about that. I mean with all the knowledge and ability PRS have at their disposal they decide to basically stick on a LP body.

I'll bet their designers were gnashing their teeth at that decision.

Dakine · « **Reply #106 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:29:54 PM »

Is'nt this the same as why do XYZ copy strats?
I would assume PRS had the demand so decided to do it. Anyway, I dearly WISH Gibson would make such a consistant product, thats all.

Scotty477 · « **Reply #107 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:44:04 PM »

Quote from: Dakine

Is'nt this the same as why do XYZ copy strats?

Yes. Yes it is. That's exactly what I'm talking about.

This is PRS we're talking about ... not just an XYZ company

Philly Q · « **Reply #108 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:52:04 PM »

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I'm not being anti PRS but for the life of me I can't understand why an established company who has established such a good reputation chose to copy a rival company's design.

I know about the single cut lawsuit but I'm not talking about that. I mean with all the knowledge and ability PRS have at their disposal they decide to basically stick on a LP body.

I think in a way it's a compliment to what a great design the LP is.

They've refined the details and added typical PRS touches like the scooped cutaway and PRS hardware, but that basic "hourglass" guitar shape is a nice comfortable one. And if you want a shorter, stiffer neck you end up with a single cutaway. If you move the design much further away it's just being different for the sake of it (like that silly Washburn Paul Stanley model).

The only aspect which I think gets a bit too close to "copy" territory is the two volume/two tone layout and the location of the switch. I prefer the simpler control layout on the Singlecut Trem.

Dakine · « **Reply #109 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:52:14 PM »

Ahhh c'mon.
PRS are'nt any bigger really than ESP/Navigator, or Charvel (pre fender) or B.C.Rich (in heyday) or Ernie Ball etc. etc. etc. They all make VERY similar 'shaped' products.

Heck MANY Custom Luthiers make 'known' shape guitars (Feline for one) and they are up there with PRS.

It's down to market force. If a design (any design) can be improved upon, why not? (esp. if said design is not copyrighted).

Dakine · « **Reply #110 on:** January 25, 2008, 07:54:21 PM »

Quote from: Philly Q

Quote from: Machinehead
I'm not being anti PRS but for the life of me I can't understand why an established company who has established such a good reputation chose to copy a rival company's design.

I know about the single cut lawsuit but I'm not talking about that. I mean with all the knowledge and ability PRS have at their disposal they decide to basically stick on a LP body.

I think in a way it's a compliment to what a great design the LP is.

They've refined the details and added typical PRS touches like the scooped cutaway and PRS hardware, but that basic "hourglass" guitar shape is a nice comfortable one. And if you want a shorter, stiffer neck you end up with a single cutaway. If you move the design much further away it's just being different for the sake of it (like that silly Washburn Paul Stanley model).

The only aspect which I think gets a bit too close to "copy" territory is the two volume/two tone layout and the location of the switch. I prefer the simpler control layout on the Singlecut Trem.

Singlecut trem is now no more Philly :(

But there is a MUCH bigger difference IMO. Look at the neck angle meeting the body, AND the string angle at the headstock. Very different. May not JUMP out at casual shopper looking BUT is HUGE difference.

dave_mc · « **Reply #111 on:** January 26, 2008, 05:28:08 PM »

Quote from: Dakine

Dave,
unlike an amp though 'importing' a guitar is way more sensible. I have even been told/know of dealers who sell new to outside USA (shhhh ;)) and that makes them quite abit cheaper.

interesting, i thought most of the US dealers weren't allowed to do that... :lol:

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To Dave

I did say 'real' LP ....

All joking aside I would buy a Loverock as a backup guitar. I havent heard a lot of bad things about them.

yeah MIJ tokais are pretty nice, any i've tried anyway.

Henk · « **Reply #112 on:** January 26, 2008, 06:21:37 PM »

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I'm not being anti PRS but for the life of me I can't understand why an established company who has established such a good reputation chose to copy a rival company's design.

I know about the single cut lawsuit but I'm not talking about that. I mean with all the knowledge and ability PRS have at their disposal they decide to basically stick on a LP body.

I'll bet their designers were gnashing their teeth at that decision.

I THINK its because they started out that way and people started playing them, it often works like that and once it hits the players it cant be turned back i guess.

Thats also why Gibson and Fender went bottom up IMO, things change but the players still expect the same product even if it costs twice as much to make it.