2x12 designs (favourite?)

[Davey]

i'm going to build me one  
i'll post more about it when i get to it, but i'd like to know a couple of things

(not about the building itself, cos i already got all the help i need)

but, which 2x12 cabs do you prefer (and why)
please no discussion about why a 4x12 is better etc etc, i'd like to know about people and 2x12, guys. especially from the not so metal crowd and the metal crowd that cant afford, or doesnt play venues where they could use 4x12's
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anyway. we're talking 2 designs here.
#1 standing cab (one speaker above the other) with the top speaker slant
#2 laying cab speakers next to eachother.

when you put #1 and #2 next to eachother, #1 is 2" taller than #2, at the bottom it's about 3" deeper (and of course not as deep at the top) #2 is for 2" wider. both are closed backs, made of solid wood (how thick, i dont know yet, but about 5/8 to app. 7/8)


speaker choices are V30's and greenback 25's for now, but that dont matter since both speakers are available for the 2 designs and i'd like y'all to focus on that.

so, discuss. #1 or #2. and please tell me why. also, if you'd make any smaller changes to it, dont hesitate to tell

(pictures of drawings will follow)

[aisuru]

personally, i like the idea of the vertical layout.

[HJM]

Horizontal, with a angled baffle is how I hade my custom 2x12 made, disperses the sound better.

[chrisola]

a few of the high power combos use the 2x12 'side by side' setup, its like a 4x12 but only half as high...

i've played through a jcm 800 like that and it had a great sound, and also the stereo line6 spider 2x12 sound great with the side by side setup (espcially on the stereo effects!!).

Never played through the vertical setup though!

[38thBeatle]

Side by side gets my vote. I think it just works better- cant explain why though which, I suspect, is what you need to know.

[Davey]

a few of the high power combos use the 2x12 'side by side' setup, its like a 4x12 but only half as high...

i've played through a jcm 800 like that and it had a great sound, and also the stereo line6 spider 2x12 sound great with the side by side setup (espcially on the stereo effects!!).

Never played through the vertical setup though!

those are combo amps. for them it's usual to be done like that since it would be a bit hard for them to fit everything into the 'narrow' space above the top speaker, which in this case is 16" vs 28" for the horizontal cab

[Davey]

so, here are some (very) rough pics/sketches of the design's i'm thinking about
do coment on em (mainly about the size)

[Ratrod]

I absolutely love my 1976 Fender Bandmaster cab with 2X12 Jensens.

[chrisola]

point i was making is..... they are side by side and sound great 8)

[Bob Johnson]

I go for the side by side but with a small tweak. Make the cab about 22" high and 28" wide and mount the speaker chassis along the diagonal axis. A Vintage 30 and a G12-75T or a G12 will give you a killer tonal range. This combination is a BIG favourite with some custom cab builders in the US and I can say from first hand experience that it really works.

[PhilKing]

How wide is your amp?  IMHO nothing looks more naff than an amp hanging off each side of the speaker cab  PDT_036

I like the Marshall 2x12 layout (where the cab is about 22" wide), with the angled top.  The angle lets you hear yourself a bit more (of course you can always use a stand or legs like Fender have).  I also think 2 different speakers is good for a more rich sound.

I guess I am in the minority with the layout though.  Another option is to make 2 1x12, this lets you put them anyway you like.  My 10" cabs are like this and have hinged flaps on the back to allow you to use them as open or closed back.  They also have butterfly catches to lock them closed and also to lock them into a single (horizontal!) cab for moving or putting on a chair.

[Davey]

How wide is your amp?  IMHO nothing looks more naff than an amp hanging off each side of the speaker cab

i dont know yet ROFL

when i got the measurements and get in touch with a coworker to discuss options and sound and all that, i'll be puting up some more designs

(you're onto somehting there bob.. i might make that for the horihontal one, but apart of making the vertical one taller and wider i wont be changing anyhting else)

[Ced777]

I vote for vertical cab. Mainly for flexibility and transport. If you need only one cab, you just take it and you don't have the tone in your shoes. If you play far from your cab, it could be irrelevant, though.
Personaly I use two vertical cabs. No complaint here.

[Davey]

I vote for vertical cab. Mainly for flexibility and transport. If you need only one cab, you just take it and you don't have the tone in your shoes.

that's why i'm mainly opting for it.

while playing at home, you got the sound in your face whether you're siting or standing. when playing small venues where space is limited and you can barely fit yourself on the 'stage' a 4x12 will take all of the space and a 2x12 horizontal will get clumsy too. you basicaly dont need a monitor since it's right behid you and blowin wind in the direction of your head anyway

i havent played many, but i think that a vertical cab has better functionality than a horizontal one (just IMO of course)

[Bob Johnson]

Hey, we could have a radical design here. How about making the height and width the same (equal to or greater than the width of the head) mount the speakers along one diagonal and add a baffle along the other diagonal to really stiffen the front panel and separate the backwash from the cones. That would include almost every suggestion to date. QED