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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2008, 03:45:31 PM »
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just a quick question.. you ordered this from Jackson .. or some other luthier?

yes, from jackson custom shop. I wrote it on my first post,.

oh, ok.. but just to clarify, you mean this fall.. or the fall of 2009.. possibly 2010.

and i concur with afghan dave.. a Miracle Man set.

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« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2008, 04:40:47 PM »
I'm sorry for my rudeness, I'll try to act better. Ignore everything that might be rude or degrading!

I've already paid the guitar and they estimated the delivery time is from 6 to 8 months. I should have it by september this year.

I mainly use neck pickup and at the neck pos emg 81 and 60 have the fast attack that i like, but sound a bit too sterile. I don't really care if the guitar "can't do" cleans as long as the distortion tone kicks ass.

Megadeths Angry again song has the greatest distortion sound that i've heard and that's basically what i'm after(. Megadeth does not have any other song that had the similar dry heavy sound, so i don't really know anything else.

Of all passive pickups that i've tried, invader is the closest to perfection. I'd settle for invader with a bit more articulate sound(=just a touch tighter bass). The "spike" on the lower midrange is just awe inspiring! I do not have my own experience from bk pickups, so i'm pretty much clueless how they sound.

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2008, 04:45:59 PM »
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I'm sorry for my rudeness, I'll try to act better. Ignore everything that might be rude or degrading!

I've already paid the guitar and they estimated the delivery time is from 6 to 8 months. I should have it by september this year.

I mainly use neck pickup and at the neck pos emg 81 and 60 have the fast attack that i like, but sound a bit too sterile. I don't really care if the guitar "can't do" cleans as long as the distortion tone kicks ass.

Megadeths Angry again song has the greatest distortion sound that i've heard and that's basically what i'm after(. Megadeth does not have any other song that had the similar dry heavy sound, so i don't really know anything else.

Of all passive pickups that i've tried, invader is the closest to perfection. I'd settle for invader with a bit more articulate sound(=just a touch tighter bass). The "spike" on the lower midrange is just awe inspiring! I do not have my own experience from bk pickups, so i'm pretty much clueless how they sound.


are you sure that you use the neck pickup??? they generally get mushy and arent tight enough for rhythm especially the emg 60 ive had a lot of experience with that pickup

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« Reply #18 on: February 14, 2008, 04:54:21 PM »
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are you sure that you use the neck pickup??? they generally get mushy and arent tight enough for rhythm especially the emg 60 ive had a lot of experience with that pickup

Painkiller neck.

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« Reply #19 on: February 14, 2008, 05:01:44 PM »
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they generally get mushy and arent tight enough for rhythm especially the emg 60 ive had a lot of experience with that pickup


That depends wildly on the guitar! Gibsons have the neck pickup placed directly under the point where the vibrating string has its "knot" point. This point is like a massive phase cancellation and therfore there is greatly reduced harmonic content induced to the pickups windings.

Neck pickups with somewhat tight sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCvSi3BMLU

EDIT: Hetfield uses almost exclusively the neck pickup and he has very tight sound!

2nd EDIT: After reading my previous posts i noticed that my grammar sucks at the moment. Try to bear with me!

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« Reply #20 on: February 14, 2008, 05:14:31 PM »
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they generally get mushy and arent tight enough for rhythm especially the emg 60 ive had a lot of experience with that pickup


That depends wildly on the guitar! Gibsons have the neck pickup placed directly under the point where the vibrating string has its "knot" point. This point is like a massive phase cancellation and therfore there is greatly reduced harmonic content induced to the pickups windings.

Neck pickups with somewhat tight sound: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNCvSi3BMLU

EDIT: Hetfield uses almost exclusively the neck pickup and he has very tight sound!

2nd EDIT: After reading my previous posts i noticed that my grammar sucks at the moment. Try to bear with me!


Hetfield uses the bridge 81 for rhythm.

Closest pickup: c-pig

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« Reply #21 on: February 14, 2008, 05:14:56 PM »
Painkiller neck. :)

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« Reply #22 on: February 14, 2008, 05:16:25 PM »
And painkiller neck, yeah.

Pretty EMG 60 -esque.

Tightest neck sound I've heard, if you insist on using the neck for metal rhythm (you'll be in an extreme minority there!)

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« Reply #23 on: February 14, 2008, 05:29:28 PM »
Just to make sure, painkiller neck :D ?

Ok what about the bridge, would miracleman pair well with painkiller or would i be better off with painkiller set?

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« Reply #24 on: February 14, 2008, 05:38:50 PM »
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Just to make sure, painkiller neck :D ?

Ok what about the bridge, would miracleman pair well with painkiller or would i be better off with painkiller set?

LOL

I would venture to say that a Painkiller set will do precisely what you want. It has a hell of a lot of chunk, very tight bass, and the exact lower midrange push you are looking for (esp in the 200-800Hz range).

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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2008, 05:42:27 PM »
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they generally get mushy and arent tight enough for rhythm especially the emg 60 ive had a lot of experience with that pickup


That depends wildly on the guitar! Gibsons have the neck pickup placed directly under the point where the vibrating string has its "knot" point. This point is like a massive phase cancellation and therfore there is greatly reduced harmonic content induced to the pickups windings.


i agree that neck pickups can sound tight  enough for rhythm but your science is a little bit out.  although its a common misconception that the neck pickup should be under a harmonic node (the 24th fret one) it doesnt actually make much sense in real terms

firstly, the harmonic node where the string is moving less would produce a reduced signal like you suggest.... but its a very narrow focal point of the string.  humbuckers are wide and even single coils wide enough so that they will see enough of the string for the node to be a non issue as far as phase cancellation is concerned.  In fact a pickup is always louderin the neck position than it would be in the bridge position because, overall, the string moves a lot more in this position

secondly, that node may be in just the right place on open strings if you have a pickup under the 24th fret location but as soon as you fret a note it moves.  If you fret the first fret the equivelent harmonic node will be two octaves higher, or at the theortical 25th fret position etc..

now i will be the first to say that i prefer guitars with pickups under the 24th fret location, but its not because the node is there, its because its furthest away from the bridge pickup so gives greater tonal variation

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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2008, 06:24:11 PM »
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the harmonic node where the string is moving less would produce a reduced signal like you suggest


The guitar string vibrates with a single standing wave so that the biggest movement is in the middle(12th fret). The harmonics are like vibrations within string and the "phase cancellation" happens in the 24th postion to the odd numbers(basically to the third since above fifth every harmonic decay during the attack). Therefore the harmonics are less picked by the string because 1. they are much weaker when compared to the string vibration(main reason) and 2. the odd harmonics are cancelled.

My first post was oversimplified as is this and is actually a bit wrong, but serves the purpose.

(I'm still not trying to be rude!!!!!!!)

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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2008, 06:28:48 PM »
Now i just need to make up my mind with either invader set or a painkiller set or a mix of them(I'll probably just toss a coin when it comes to deciding). Thanks for all of ya!

(... and i'm not trying to be rude)

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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2008, 06:46:02 PM »
I would trust the guys' recommendations and go with a Painkiller set. And if you didn't buy a Bareknuckle set, then I would go with a mix of the two...

That way you haven't lost all hope, as you would if you went with an Invader set. :wink:

Oh and I don't think it matters whether or not you are trying to be rude... just whether you are or not.  :wink:

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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2008, 06:54:51 PM »
Sh1t... The coin toss method... you genius!

How the heck could we have forgotten that lightning rod of wisdom!

We're such silly billys we've been trying to guide you based on experience and knowledge and there you go and trump all that with a coin toss.

Hey don't be so modest... I think you've got the rude trick mastered hombre!

Please god they disqualify you from jury duty.. you muppet.
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